convo
1:36 PM ] Chloe :
Yoyoyo Let me know when you’re around I’d like to ask you something
[ 1:42 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
what’s up
[ 1:43 PM ] Chloe :
Alright. I’ve been trying to talk the other mods into some alt rule changes, and I want your opinions. What would you change about the current system, in a perfect world? (Ignoring the fact that we are limited on a few things by Xblade)
[ 1:44 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
I mean personally I think the old “no alts” has been a better experience than my games here since alts lol
[ 1:44 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
let me think on that for a bit
[ 1:45 PM ] Chloe :
No alts is a valid opinion to have Let me know
[ 1:45 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
well
[ 1:45 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
I’ve had at least a few good and memorable moments with alts elsewhere
[ 1:46 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Or maybe I’m deluding myself lol
[ 1:46 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Memorable might be a better word than good
[ 1:46 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[ 1:46 PM ] Chloe :
I can tell you my proposed change, if you like People were excited by the idea of alts and full-anon games. What sucks is that we’re such a small community, and it’s very easy to know who is who - especially if some people simply alt to gimmick, or they have very obv tone/grammar/whatever
[ 1:47 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Full anon games totally fine
[ 1:47 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
No question those are 100% good imo
[ 1:47 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
The issue is that like
[ 1:47 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Alts as currently used often do more to harm enjoyment for everyone else
[ 1:48 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
And I don’t think they really achieve their goal
[ 1:49 PM ] Chloe :
The main issue, from what I see, is that people dislike that alts can use meta on them , but regular players cant use meta on obvious alts. Which - I agree - sucks. Some people play the exact same way on their alt as they would on their main, but non-alt players have to just… ignore that So I think it should be defaulted to allowing alt speculation, rather than defaulted to not allowing it. Hosts still have discretion, but it seems like most hosts don’t realize they can change that.
[ 1:49 PM ] Chloe :
Do you think that would be a good change?
[ 1:49 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
I think that would be a good change.
[ 1:49 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
I don’t think that would be the ideal change.
[ 1:50 PM ] Chloe :
The ideal change is to just allow people to make alts/secondary accounts whenever without guidelines like these Or not allow alts at all Trying to come up with a middleground is difficult
[ 1:51 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Like speculating that Bill Nye is probably katze doesn’t do anything to the fact that I’m still having to jump through more hoops to actually read their posts Speculating that Santa might be Alice (something I didn’t do but) doesn’t do anything to the fact that you could be wrong and then are misreading a player for essentially ogi reasons
[ 1:51 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Not being able to meta people who are using meta on you is only one frustrating aspect of the issue that alts introduce ogi elements in a way that is explicitly linked to the game
[ 1:51 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
And getting rid of the rule talking about that is a good step
[ 1:51 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
in reducing that frustration
[ 1:51 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
but like
[ 1:52 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
it doesn’t solve the problem
[ 1:52 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Let me ask you a counter question
[ 1:52 PM ] Chloe :
Ahhhhh I see where you’re coming from
[ 1:52 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
What is the purpose of alts
[ 1:52 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
What is the benefit
[ 1:54 PM ] Chloe :
The main purpose of alts was to play games without being able to be burdened by metareads. Which is fair, and would be pretty much negated with this rule shift But it’s become more of a… game? Recently. People seem to play on alts so they can start fresh, or “be someone else” Players who are usually memey can be serious without being scumread for it, or vice versa But there are just so many issues with having a small playerbase, limits on how secondary accounts can work under i42, etc I’m going off on a tangent so i’ll stop here
[ 1:55 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Chloe
[ 1:55 PM ] Chloe :
Ian
[ 1:55 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Are you familiar with REM
[ 1:56 PM ] Chloe :
My favorite soolit
[ 1:56 PM ] Chloe :
Yep
[ 1:56 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Who is REM
[ 1:56 PM ] Chloe :
REM is REM
[ 1:56 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Why is REM
[ 1:56 PM ] Chloe :
I don’t know why REM happened
[ 1:56 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
So
[ 1:56 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
This is important
[ 1:56 PM ] Chloe :
iirc, sulit wanted to take a game seriously, and people treated her like a scary experienced player
[ 1:57 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
No
[ 1:57 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Actually the opposite basically?
[ 1:57 PM ] Chloe :
Really?
[ 1:57 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
sulit felt burdened by meta on Hypixel and was starting to feel the same way here
[ 1:57 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
So she created that account on CD under a completely different name to avoid having that happen
[ 1:57 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
That is how you play without meta.
[ 1:58 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
The idea you could escape meta on a site like this just by changing your name is honestly kinda laughable. If you truly want that, it’s much more effective to just go play somewhere else.
[ 1:58 PM ] Chloe :
You might be right about that tbh
[ 1:58 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
It doesn’t have to be permanent and you can connect the two together later but if the goal is escaping meta, that is the solution.
[ 1:59 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
So if that’s not a problem alts really solve, what do they do?
[ 1:59 PM ] Chloe :
hmmmmmmm
[ 1:59 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
That’s kinda where I think I am
[ 1:59 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
They don’t really have any benefits I can think of
[ 1:59 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
But they cause frustration and introduce ogi elements to games
[ 2:00 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
So unless somebody thinks of a way to cut the downsides and also add at least one benefit
[ 2:00 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
I’m kinda leaning away from keeping them around
[ 2:00 PM ] Chloe :
Think it would be beneficial to do a weekly monday discussion? Heh, its actually monday
[ 2:00 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
lol
[ 2:00 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
Up to you
[ 2:01 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
But I think it’s worth asking the question
[ 2:01 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
“What benefit do alts actually bring?”
[ 2:01 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
with the idea that escaping meta is not an actual benefit
[ 2:01 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
of alting
[ 2:01 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
because it’s not and it’s significantly less so if we enable alt spec
[ 2:02 PM ] Chloe :
I’ve been dming people individually about this, but it might be a good idea to bring this to a public setting so everyone can pitch in
[ 2:02 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
but chloe I’m the only one whose opinion is correct
[ 2:02 PM ] Chloe :
:^)
[ 2:02 PM ] Chloe :
Then you can debate the people who are wrong
[ 2:02 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
lel
[ 2:03 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
if they stick around I call alting for the invitational
[ 2:03 PM ] Chloe :
Oh that’s kinda gamer Too bad alts arent allowed for it :^)
[ 2:04 PM ] orangeandblack5 :
fuk