What is the point of king?

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#1

Let’s be honest mastermind will only use little bird on king basically driving the whisper meta into the ground, but what is the point of king now? Like it or not, before the update king was used to whisper claims at to give leads and suspicions basically being the leader or “king”, but now with the whisper meta driven into the ground what’s the point. So what’s he now? A slightly better alchemist truth potion? Well what’s king going to do just randomly pick a player, since he isn’t given logs or anything that may make him check someone? Btw this is the complete opposite in cult games if cult don’t spawn with apostle then King is extremely op.

#2

There should be a point to the King

Allies doesn’t facilitate that though

King as a role is okay enough but I agree that Allies is directly harmful

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#3

His point is to make ppl sheep him

#4

MORE SHEEPS please

#5

he’s tanky, outed and stable. That makes him able to be as aggressive as he wants with very little repercussions kinda like a Hunter.

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#6

Also in cult games WKM is still statistically a bad idea because 25% apostle + 35% EK + at least 4% converted noble is above 50%

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#7

Butler

#8

what about him?

#9

He is scary

#10

So?

#11

I find the point of the king is to be a leader for the BD. comparing it to the town of salem meta, where jailor outs himself day 1. People need a leader to keep track of everything or else things can fall apart.

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#12

I think it’s worth asking purselves what the BD winrate with whisper meta gone is. And I’m guessing it isn’t breaking 50% either

#13

true but that’s easier to fix

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#14

Also finger

#15

My point is that saying the WM isn’t worth doing isn’t true if there is no better alternative, and I’m not sure that we’ve found one yet

#16

Remember. 55 is only against cult. It’s 100% failure against Unseen

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#17

the question though, is what is the definition of failure? I think that in many ways, letting only unseen and a good king have all the claims might still be better than letting everyone have claims. With a perfect king, it is obviously true. Even with an imperfect king, it can still be better than giving the nk claims as well or, even worse, having the bd stand around doing nothing

#18

Faliure = The whispers being intercepted by scum

#19

Because of how conversions work every (or a ctritical mass) claim being in the hands of both scum and BD is scum sided

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#20

With open claiming you can have a minority of players outing which gives the remaining players enough info to work with but not enough info for scum to gamesolve