"Whisper King Meta" Thread

#1

It’s been 2 weeks since a first post about the “Meta” comes out and of course there come out some solutions and ways who to fix this issue.
I would like to make a little summary, the conclusions reached by users so far:

1.Remove “Whisper” mechanic.
2.Weaken “Whisper” mechanic.
3.Buff some Unseen/Cult classes in order to get some use from King’s whispers.
4.Make entirely new class, who is a counter to this particular Meta.
5.Changing odds of starting King alignment
6.Weaken or Remove abillity to whisper the King.
And also not direcly but have connection to “Whisper” mechanic:
7.Weaken The Prince class.

In this page, i gonna put links to other posts, in order to organize for interested users.
Edit: Anything from this thread don’t count as “my opinion”.
Edit 2:Someone is wondering, why there is option #6,when it seems to be unrelated to topic.
If devs decide to change something about King’s whispers, then the problem would end up being unsolved, because King’s Whispers will turn into Prince’s whispers. That’s why I decide to put this on list,

Conclusion #1-

Summary

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/the-best-solution-to-the-whisper-meta/52504?u=twil1ight

Conclusion #2-

Summary

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/lets-talk-about-whispers/51870?u=twil1ight
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/changing-the-whisper-meta/52584?u=twil1ight
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/king-prince-whispers/52398?u=twil1ight
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/thoughts-on-whisper-me-roles-king-meta/51757?u=twil1ight
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/potential-way-to-stop-the-whisper-meta/52458?u=twil1ight
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/change-the-king/53148?u=twil1ight

Conclusion #3-

Summary

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/my-solution-the-king-whisper-meta/52507?u=twil1ight
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/allow-evil-spy-effects-to-be-used-on-the-king/52266?u=twil1ight
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/reworks-concerning-the-1-0-18-meta/51767?u=twil1ight

Conclusion #4-

Summary

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/the-lurker-neutral-social-a-class-that-may-help-the-new-king-meta/52332?u=twil1ight
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/counter-to-current-meta-not-quite/51897?u=twil1ight
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fool-rework-as-done-by-an-fm-nerd/53027?u=twil1ight

Conclusion #5-

Summary

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/1-1-0-patch-notes/52967?u=twil1ight

Conclusion #6-

Summary

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/get-your-ship-togather-my-wall-of-feedback/53544?u=twil1ight

Conclusion #7(Not related but still)-

Summary

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/prince-needs-a-nerf/52082?u=twil1ight

Edit 3: I forgot put this in a first place but how about putting this now?
Which solution is the best in your opinion?

  • Remove “Whisper” mechanic.
  • Weaken “Whisper” mechanic.
  • Buff some Unseen/Cult classes in order to get some use from King’s whispers.
  • Make entirely new class, who is a counter to this particular Meta.
  • Changing odds of starting King alignment

0 voters

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#2

5 isn’t related.

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#3

Whispers weren’t a problem before this meta, so no to this. Whispering is the only reliable method of communication for BD outside of prince and psychic, one of which can be converted. The only real problem is that players only whisper the king

No for the same reason as above.

These are the best ones. Noble should be reworked so it’s whisper-based, and aristocrat should have a passive which allows it to hear all whispers.

This isn’t related to whispering.

#4

I mean conclutions that came up that needed after nerfing whispering to King also nerf to avoid situation “Whisper Outed Prince Meta” so yes it’s relatied.

#5

I do enjoy a well-mannered thread, lets hope this ends well.

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#6

Its just conclutions not my opinions, treat like a "record of all posts ".

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#7

Don’t forget about the Make king less trustworthy method

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#8

And then they’ll start lynching King D2 again

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#9

What if whispering to the King was disabled for the first 3-4 days?

Just brainstorming, don’t eat me.

#10

It’s a really heavy handed solution. And then you just delay to day 5, which might be better.

I’d rather the threat of evils knowing your claims.

#11

I think the best way would be to allow more whisper seeing to Scum classes, preferably to MM, Aristocrat, maybe Illusionist, and Apostle.

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#12

Removing or delaying whispers won’t solve the issue

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#13

Well, there are obviously many sides to this. I expected this kind of stuff to happen when you increase King odds.

King should be 50-40-10. That will fix everything.

#14

King is half not BD, that’s worse than the odds for all other players, it would be grounds to lynch King D2 again

#15

Adding counter classes is sloppy. That is not the style ToL follows. Adding a class for one specific purpose goes against the way the game works.

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#16

The Noble and Aristocrat and Apostle can already see people’s whispers. This is just a way to extend the power scum has in seeing whispers.

#17

I’m all for changing mechanics, don’t get me wrong. I am against ripping out a piece of ToL that is used by newer players to learn the game. We already have the issue of players not willing to give any info. I find it hard to believe removing whispers will fix that. We need to change the King again probably. Whispers are staying, period. Boslof will not remove them.

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#18

I am against removing whispers. I think ToL wouldn’t be the same without them. What Ixm trying to say is to make using whispers to mass claim to King more risky, as your words could be seen by an Aristocrat or Apostle, both of which do not ever spawn in the game N1

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#19

Are you suggesting allowing Noble/Aristo/Apostle to target King?

Actually, I like that idea. Not Noble though, only Aristo and Apostle.

#20

That was what I’ve been trying to advocate, but that wouldn’t work in this case, because both Aristo and Apostle don’t spawn N1, meaning they canxt see whispers D2