Why we should replace/remove Retribution/Frame/Mindwarp

#121

Does it win with the Blue Dragon?

#122

Does it even help the Blue Dragon?

#123

It doesn’t have to be strict. It’s a neat gimmick, and it doesn’t outright lie to you. The problem is that it is too infrequent. It makes people not alert to it.

#124

Fool is plenty frequent.

#125

It can.

#126

No, the issue is that it takes what should be a good situation, eliminating a scummy and evil player, and punishes the town for it.

It encourages poor play and acts as a crutch the evils really don’t need. It’s not fun to lynch a Fool, and it’s too damn easy to be much fun to play one either.

#127

It’s not evil though. It’s agressive, but not interested in the BDs downfall.

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#128

So can Scorned. The ability to win alongside a faction is not the same as winning with them.

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#129

But how would it possibly get lynched that way? I mean if you’re gonna do that then it’s basically almost impossible to win as, also retribution as a passive would be a little to much like TOS and unnecessary, I like it on hunter and I think it should stay that way. What I liked was the occupation to all BD.

#130

But does that mean that it is on the same side as the BD?

Is Fool an ally of the Blue Dragon?

Because if not, lynching it should be good.

#131

Clever play?

I can play a fine Fool game without a single power.

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#132

Getting lynched as Fool is pretty easy, you don’t need to rely on the frame alone.

#133

I prefer the ToS jester in this respect. It doesn’t give it any buffs, since it needs none.

Fool is about convincing people to lynch you, not making a Sheriff do it for you.

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#134

Just act scummy and frame yourself when an invest says they’ll be on you. EZ PZ. I agree Fool is insanely easy

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#135

true but if someone is accusing you of being unseen/cult sheriff/pally can come out and say your NS

Edit: also it’s pretty useful

#136

We should just ditch Frame. Fool wouldn’t even need a replacement.

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#137

Then act like a NK?

Or MM for that matter

#138

I am not sure I agree. I prefer fool. That’s because TOS is simpler and that GF appears to be not mafia so it’s easy, everyone can just think you’re gf and vote you up, CL appears to be cult and MM appears to be unseen after day 3 so basically you’re not going to win as easily, you might try to make people think you’re NK but even then if NK is dead you’re just gonna be imprisoned by prince and killed

#139

Well you could try to act as nk and if you get really lucky and get peeked on by an observer and finds out you’re neutral and then he will try to get you lynched! But if nk is dead well… rest in peace win

If there is no MM or it’s after day 3 you’re screwed hard

#140

Fool

Neutral Social

Passive: Poor Fellow: If you are executed, the Blue Dragon will be unable to take any action tonight. Imprison will fail, but Scout will continue to work.

Day Ability: Trollbox, unlimited uses

Night Ability: Hide, 2 uses

Scorned

Neutral Social

Passive: Resolve: You are immune to death at night.

Passive: Ending: You will commit suicide when a target is executed, or both targets die.

Day Ability: Trollbox, unlimited uses

Night Ability: Incomplete Justice: Protect a target from death tonight. 2 uses.