Wild West FM - Day 5 - Mafia Win!

[Universal]

*yesterday

[an_gorta_pratai]

opinions on my ash case

[an_gorta_pratai]

I actually wouldn’t mind shooting Ash today, but I have a few others I want to look at first

[ash4fun]

@an_gorta_pratai

In my opinion these posts feel performative and LAMIST

You can say that if you want.

@an_gorta_pratai

Seth was tonally w in my opinion, but I don’t like the wording of this post. They then go on to vote Intensify “for being Seth’s partner” instead of voting the person they preflip as wolf. This does look like an attempt to save Seth. Like why vote a potential partner over your confirmed wolf

Does this read take into account the way I switched wagons? Not saying that that would look better but I think this read is incomplete without it

@an_gorta_pratai

They also defend mole during all of that and I honestly don’t like it. It just looks like someone trying to use Seth to save their partner.

So I defended mole for a part of the game. I have defended a lot of people over the game.

@an_gorta_pratai

They also vote Seth after the Intensify wagon doesn’t do much to counteract the Seth wagon. I honestly could be over reacting, but I don’t like these posts

have a reason to not like them?

@an_gorta_pratai

and then a consensus town died with absolute shit reads that resulted in several townies dying (I know this is reachy as hell)

It is reachy. I phrased this specifically not “we will sheep their reads tomorrow”

@an_gorta_pratai

I don’t know why they would still defend mole when mole was a consensus SR. The only thing I could think of is wolf theatrics.

did it occur to you that it might have maybe possibly been an actual read?
Also I could say the same for you about attacking a consesnus TR

@an_gorta_pratai

I also hate how they go from saying Whysper is towny -> being ok with them being shot

Where did I say I was fine with them being shot?

Anyways they were on the towny side of the PoE. So I wouldn’t like a shot on them, but I thought it was possible it’d hit scum.

@an_gorta_pratai

This feels like it’s an attempt to claim credit if Vul flips wolf, which I think is a possibility. They also do a 180 on d3 (from “Vul/Appel are the most likely deepwolf suspects” -> “Vul can’t be a deepwolf”)

Do you think this so-called 180 is wolf-indicative? Anyways the difference in position is actually rather small. Just one tinfoil less.

@an_gorta_pratai

Can someone remind me what a SPK is?

Strong player Kill

@an_gorta_pratai

I don’t like how Ash shades my ideas to re-eval everything and claims I was automatically scumreading everyone universally townread. It just feels like OMGUS

I was clear yesterday about who I thought was town/scum. I don’t feel like argueing this position is suddenly OMGUS because you now want to claim we’re all somehow scum.

@an_gorta_pratai

Ash was pushing to kill Instensify for all of d1 and d2, so why show remorse for CFDing to that now?

Because they flipped town?

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@an_gorta_pratai

I think this is a wolf plain and simple. Some posts look like serious planning/setting up for a slaughter fest and others look like wolf theatrics. Ash just primarily pushes LHF, despite them constantly flipping town and never really thinks about re-evaluating anything. In fact, Ash seems to be against looking at everyone in the mirror and would blindly shoot LHF in the PoE. For those reasons I am confident in this being a wolf

I really don’t think the confidence of this conclusion follows from the comments & arguements above. Add that up with some arguements that aren’t that great, and we’ve got either an agenda or confirmation bias.

Also, I notice a large amount of my interactions are missing. Especially my interactions with flipped town. I don’t think a wholistic reading of my iso reaches this conclusion either.

[Universal]

I do agree, their progress and thought process seems a bit spotty and made only to act like a clueless town
I actually remember scumeaning them for acting similar to Mole D1. Basically not providing any real reads and just adding some side comments to seem like they were game solving

[Universal]

*scumleaning not scumeaning

[Universal]

I ultimately only scumlean them since they always commented on how they were building up to a big ISO readslist

[ash4fun]

I’m not sure I understand this post…

Are you talking about D1 before I made my readslist?

or are you talking about something now?

[Appelsiini]

Either these wagons are TvT or Wazza/Cent are both scum. I can’t believe scum wouldn’t save App when it’s that close.

[Universal]

D1. You even asked me why I scumleaned you and said why. You agreed it was reasonable and I told you that I will wait until your readslist to re-evaluate your slot. You seemingly proved your slot as you tried to game solve

[Appelsiini]

But if App is town, that would mean the scum is in…

…I’m too tired for this. Good night

[ash4fun]

Why does cent have to be scum?

A lot of town CFD’d at Thunal’s request.

Also most of the remaining apprentice wagon and the non-voters + vulgard weren’t on at the time.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@ash4fun

Does this read take into account the way I switched wagons? Not saying that that would look better but I think this read is incomplete without it

I get to that eventually, but I don’t like this initial Intensify wagon. They were a wolf partner in your head with you prefliping Seth wolf, so why not confirm your original suspicion first?

@ash4fun

So I defended mole for a part of the game. I have defended a lot of people over the game.

They were also a wolf that was SR by most, while I could easily see you hoping that Mole could live and go UTR from things

@ash4fun

have a reason to not like them?

I admit Intensify was scummy as hell, but you only vote Seth after the other wagon doesn’t take off

@ash4fun

It is reachy. I phrased this specifically not “we will sheep their reads tomorrow”

People did though

@ash4fun

Also I could say the same for you about attacking a consesnus TR

Listen mate, I haven’t even started attacking anyone consensus TR and quite frankly I don’t give a damn about someone being consensus townread. The majority can townread someone and they could still be a wolf.

@ash4fun

Do you think this so-called 180 is wolf-indicative? Anyways the difference in position is actually rather small. Just one tinfoil less.

I think it is because the wolves are in a much better spot today then yesterday

@ash4fun

Strong player Kill

Is cecil a strong player?

@ash4fun

I was clear yesterday about who I thought was town/scum. I don’t feel like argueing this position is suddenly OMGUS because you now want to claim we’re all somehow scum.

Every universally TR person can’t be a wolf and I clearly said it’s wise to re-evaluate because Luxy was killed for a reason. Luxy wasn’t universally town read, so it had to be for some reason. Why kill Luxy over someone like Vulgard?

@ash4fun

Because they flipped town?

Ok, but people are wrong sometimes, so acting like you were an idiot for pursuing your SR seems like a fake reaction to a scummy town member getting killed

@ash4fun

I really don’t think the confidence of this conclusion follows from the comments & arguements above. Add that up with some arguements that aren’t that great, and we’ve got either an agenda or confirmation bias.

Also, I notice a large amount of my interactions are missing. Especially my interactions with flipped town. I don’t think a wholistic reading of my iso reaches this conclusion either.

I have been SRing you for a while now. I don’t think your interactions with flipped town clear you in my opinion, as they haven’t been great

[an_gorta_pratai]

I need a break now

[an_gorta_pratai]

The next on my list is to case Vulgard and Centuries. Might case Appel as well

[Universal]

Actually, a point I brought up that was weird was how Apprentice always made the Intensify V Surge V Mole wagons were more Intensify and Surge V Mole wagon.

[Universal]

Someone shoot Apprentice

[ash4fun]

ya, app is openwolfing imo

[an_gorta_pratai]

I really want to shoot Ash right now, but I would be willing to shoot app in a bit. I just need a break

[Aelin]

we’ve been trying to shoot Apprentice