light did an oopsie in his prediction post
he had me, him and intensify as locktown
implying that wind and PKR were mafia if maple flipped town
and wind isn’t mafia
A combination of you, PKR or Maple.
At this point, your arguments don’t make sense to me anymore.
And also… this is all apperently if Maple doesn’t flip scum… and we’re already voting like Maple already flipped and is Town.
pre-flipping and then making decisions based off of those pre-flips
:wowee:
super scummy
Also I cba to do a full ISO I’ll just quote everything that struck me as relatively towny
Intensify's first 200 posts - ones I found most towny. Not doing more because I'm putting off streaming to do this shit and it's boring. But, yeah, Intensify seems very obviously town to me here.
yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. because town has two newbies who have been pushing the wrong idea for them.
Illwei and PKR. But we haven’t yeeted PKR and turned our attention toward Maple instead. And maple could be a 5th ML target to be perfectly honest. I don’t like their slot but I’m dubious either way. I’ve waffled my read on them this entire game and at this point I feel like I’m falling into a trap if I vote them before LyLo.
All of them. Because if scum didn’t miss nightkills they would’ve killed Min, Eli, Eevee, and Maple/Arctic/me by now. Maple for being towncore, Arctic/me for being townread.
#2, they wanted Eevee out for townreading Maple and to continue the ploy that scum must be stupid to think Eevee is a JoaT. Scum didn’t care if Eevee was a JoaT or not. The missed kill on Eevee was likely a mistake, but the second attempt was not.
I never said both the missed kills were intentional. One might have been but the other was definitely not. Or both were unintentional but still worked in scum’s favor. They wanted to yeet within the towncore and all 4 JoaT claims were towncore, plus they had the cover of being “unaware” and somehow were not “inactive”.
So? Who’s to say they didn’t? They saw how the threadstate was progressing, or at least one of them did, and exploited it. Simple, isn’t it?
He said it today. I said active and experienced scum today and yesterday. Arctic said “scum lying under the radar” first, though. But Light implied that only Arctic or I could be scum by saying “active but inexperienced”, and he has Arctic as towncore so that implies that I’m scum. You’ve townread me the whole game, so, do you think I’m scum?
You didn’t give reasons against it; you gave a “huh? I don’t understand” response instead.
No, I take you both as experienced players. I don’t know how capable you are of deepwolfing but I believe Light is capable of it, and I also believe you’re both experienced enough to pull this whole gambit off without anyone suspecting you until late game, which I think is actually a great play from scum.
Anyway, I don’t think you didn’t have thread awareness as Arctic implied. I think maybe you missed one or two details toward the beginning because you left during the JoaT fiasco and Light came back in right after Eli claimed JoaT without reading the interaction between Min and Eli to know that Min would never protect Eli N1. But i don’t think you’ve been unaware of the game at all. Scum would have to have a high awareness of the game to pull this off as a big brain play, and because PKR is the only one left who did not have a high awareness of the thread because he was so focused on being tunnelled by the rest of us, even if he were scum it would imply the other scum is highly aware. So it would have to be an explicit bus from his scum partner for him to actually be scum, and I don’t think it would’ve played out the way it has if that were the case.
Who, Eevee? He softed some reads but labelled Maple, Min and Eli as never scum. I think he listed Shurian as “interesting” but didn’t really elaborate, unless I’m thinking of someone else. But he was hard TRing Maple, and right now nobody has been. There’s nobody to tell us we’re wrong to vote Maple out, you see?
Nothing is wrong with your reasons for pushing Maple. Nothing is wrong with Light’s reasons for pushing Maple. Nothing is wrong with anyone’s reasons for pushing Maple, but what’s wrong is that it’s universally agreed upon. There’s no resistance right now, and that doesn’t seem quite right. Nobody’s backing Maple at all, and someone should be as scum. So I decided to change my read overnight and back them for one more day.
Because of the manner in which it was done. Marl could’ve died the day after, and maybe scum wouldn’t have missed the night kill, idk. But it’s not like Maple moved their vote onto Marl. They simply moved their vote off me. Scum would’ve moved their vote onto Marl anyway for towncred, wouldn’t they?
The Marl vote, the JoaT cc, and the hammering are all “too wolfy to be wolf”. Maple also said it’s fine if we vote them but it should be during LyLo. Do we listen to them or not? I don’t know, but the way you’re pushing Maple today when you’ve sussed Maple on previous days but not actually pushed them, despite them being a longtime scumread for you, makes me suspect you more than Maple for having let town ML other town first rather than pushing your own reads. Is that a good enough explanation? Of course you said you also scumread everyone we voted out, and that’s fine, but you never said we should focus on Maple first. You even offered to ISO whoever we asked you to ISO, which can be seen as a way of gauging our general scumreads. All you had to do was decide on how to come up with a convincing case on someone in your ISO, and convince the rest of us you put work into it.
Because you’re actually not. You’ve been dancing around yeeting Maple the entire time instead of pushing them as a hard scumread. Like, they’re probably lockscum for you but for some reason you don’t want to vote them right away. Why would town do that?
The latter. I never thought of Light as scum because I thought he was generally towny and didn’t put enough effort into my reads.
Maybe, maybe not. Leaning toward a yes, though.
Because scum wants us to kill them, that’s why. You’re missing the whole point.
Not your interaction. You hardly interact with Light, actually. All you do is townread each other as locktown and that’s, like, it.
I guess the yeet order doesn’t matter too much, but one of you flipping town confirms to me that the other + Maple have to be scum, while Maple flipping scum doesn’t confirm which of you is scum. I just like having answers, and LyLo is certainly not going to involve 2/3 of you because town will have lost before that ever happens. But we get our answer faster by flipping one of you two so we know exactly who to vote out in the next two days.
i haven’t made any decisions, i’m literally trying to ask what intensify and light would do if maple flipped town and both of them have conveniently been ignoring the question
33% is still pretty low, and could give some good towncred regardless.
Gamble that didn’t pay off.
you’re correct, but then Eli voted Marl and Maple moved from me to PKR, which is what sealed the yeet.
should be obvious what Light’s answer is, from his analysis. He’d yeet PKR and then me.
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If we kill maple and maple flips town, then I vote in PKR -> Wind -> You
Like I said multiple times already
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you
are voting intensify/pkr/whoever ur voting that i know isn’t mapel
based off of a flip that hasn’t happened
so am I, though. And I think PKR might, too, because he reached the same conclusion before I did.