[Winter Event] JoaTJoaTJoaT13 - Mafia wins!

[EliThePsycho]

intensify mafia joat?

[EliThePsycho]

exactly

[Arctic]

@Aelin

Fuckers

i… i don’t think listing 3 names and 1 of them flipping scum really gives you that much credit, to be honest? like marl wasn’t even the main one you chose

you can literally say any 3 random names and there’s a decent chance at least one will be a wolf

@WindwardAway

and actually had a correct scumread D1??? what is this madness??

i had the same scumread as you, but the advantage you had was that you can’t scumread yourself, so there was realy only one option for you and two for me

@Aelin

From what little I remember of thread
Derps scum is unlikely

elaborate
because derps scum is looking pretty viable to me, although less so than illwei and shurian

@PokemonKidRyan

Also I should have fucking voted Marl since I called him awkward but due to others saying I was wrong I ended up self doubting >.>

on this note, wasn’t it light that defended marl saying that could be how he acted normally? like even if that’s true, the awkwardness didn’t seem like a personality thing
it seemed more like a wolfy presence in the thread
so this makes light look slightly worse (if it was him)

@PokemonKidRyan

I felt fucking stressed out and didn’t know which wagon to vote on.

sorry but no
you don’t come to the thread in the last 5 minutes and complain about being stressed

@Marluxion

those are my only real susses right now
so if i’m dartboarding a scumteam d1 it’s

Windward, Manti, Arctic

bank it

there are no wolves in this

@Marluxion

Windward is mafia 100% and if maple is a miss you hit eevee

@Intensify

I told you guys Wind was town but no, don’t listen to Intensify : |

i’m pretty sure no one, including you, actually said why wind was town

@WindwardAway

Btw, if we do take what Marl said into account about Eevee vs. Maple and one of them being scum, it actually does make Maple look like town because Eevee is now mech-confirmed as town and it would be stupid for Marl to set up his own teammate for a yeet by that logic.

i would be careful here because i don’t remember marl explicity stating there was a wolf in eevee and maple, unless he did
it would only matter if he said kill eevee and if eevee flips v then kill maple, which i’m pretty sure he didn’t
i thought he just said if maple flipped v then kill eevee
which doesn’t really mean anything

@WindwardAway

That being said, it’s always going to be a question of “did they do this as town to cause chaos but had very inappropriate timing, or did they do this as scum to make us think it’s too foolish of a move to be scum?” at least from my point of view.

yeah this is basically the issue but i still see it as more likely town

@WindwardAway

I’m not exactly sure I can see Derps being scum with Marl. Both of them had their votes on me until I gave Derps my reason for scumleaning on Marl, and Derps retracted his vote on me and said I might be town. Didn’t look too scummy to me.

or he could have just realised that you gave a good case on marl, and if you weren’t going to die then marl was and he wanted to make himself appear in a better light?

@Illwei

My problem with TWTBAW logic is that more often than not in the game I’ve played, they’re just a wolf.

it isn’t just TWTBAW
it’s the fact that the play makes less sense from a wolf than from town

@Aelin

Because I still think that Min is slightly scummy socially, but unless it was a hardbus on Marl and a fake heal claim from Maple, she’s town shrug .

how did min bus marl
what

[EliThePsycho]

on MU it might be viable
but not here

[Intensify]

I think I get what Eevee and Maple were trying to do yesterday but I’m pretty sure it was too obvious and probably caused more harm than good

[min]

I literally didn’t even say like anything to marl

[PokemonKidRyan]

@Arctic

sorry but no
you don’t come to the thread in the last 5 minutes and complain about being stressed

You do when you become a wagon out of fucking nowhere.

[Intensify]

@Arctic

@Intensify

I told you guys Wind was town but no, don’t listen to Intensify : |

i’m pretty sure no one, including you, actually said why wind was town

But I did : |

I said his tone was towny and I saw the effort that was being put in the wallposts I believe.

[WindwardAway]

@Arctic

i had the same scumread as you, but the advantage you had was that you can’t scumread yourself, so there was realy only one option for you and two for me

good point lol

@Arctic

on this note, wasn’t it light that defended marl saying that could be how he acted normally? like even if that’s true, the awkwardness didn’t seem like a personality thing
it seemed more like a wolfy presence in the thread
so this makes light look slightly worse (if it was him)

I’m gonna have to check that. I remember someone saying that but I dont remember who.

[Arctic]

@Intensify

I said his tone was towny and I saw the effort that was being put in the wallposts I believe.

you can’t say effort is AI when windward hasn’t had a scumgame
i’m pretty sure she would wallpost as scum too because it’d be fucking obvious if she didn’t

you also didn’t explain why the tone was towny

[Intensify]

@Arctic

@Illwei

My problem with TWTBAW logic is that more often than not in the game I’ve played, they’re just a wolf.

it isn’t just TWTBAW
it’s the fact that the play makes less sense from a wolf than from town

Didn’t you guys say like… his play was scummy or something?

Or like Wind did?

[Arctic]

it was scummy
but ignoring whether or not it appears to be scummy, what he did hurts him more as a wolf than it does as town

[Arctic]

anyway we’re ignoring all the JOAT claims
like i fail to believe that maple/eevee are claiming JOAT as the last 2 scum, this just doesn’t happen
(same for eli and min but i’m pretty sure these are the real JOATs)

PoE is shurian and illwei

[min]

Fine with adding pressure to shurian

/vote shurian

[Intensify]

I mean that argument could be abused in a lot of cases.

“We haven’t seen a scumgame from Wind so hard defending a scum isn’t AI”

“We haven’t seen a scumgame from Wind so voting confirmed Joat isn’t suspicious”

These are examples

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Illwei	ArcticXI	1/7
PokemonKidRyan	SirDerpsAlot	1/7
Shurian	Intensify, WindwardAway, Min	3/7

[Arctic]

@Intensify

“We haven’t seen a scumgame from Wind so hard defending a scum isn’t AI”

“We haven’t seen a scumgame from Wind so voting confirmed Joat isn’t suspicious”

the difference is, these are objectively scummy and AI, you don’t do this as town
my point still stands that you can’t say wind wallposting means she is town when she hasn’t been scum before
you can’t make that judgement

[Intensify]

Plus I usually see effort as towny. Sure might not be the best indicator, but seeing someone actually try to make something out of very little content seems towny to me

[EliThePsycho]

don’t fall into the trap l00ser
i was in there once
then i learned how to actually read

[Arctic]

great thing you’re saying this now as opposed to yesterday when wind was being wagoned