[Winter Event] JoaTJoaTJoaT13 - Mafia wins!

[Intensify]

No one really asked me to go more in depth into this until now so shrug.

[Arctic]

when someone is being wagoned and you object, i think it’s a given that you should elaborate on why you townread that person

[Intensify]

But I did before and people apperently missed it I guess, and then no one really asked me to go further

[Intensify]

I wasn’t saying that her wallposting was what made her towny, I was saying that the effort of trying to make reads and thoughts based off of very little content was towny to me

[Arctic]

fair enough
i just think if you were really that confident you would have made a bit more of an effort

[WindwardAway]

@Arctic

it would only matter if he said kill eevee and if eevee flips v then kill maple, which i’m pretty sure he didn’t

I’ll double check

@Arctic

@Aelin

Because I still think that Min is slightly scummy socially, but unless it was a hardbus on Marl and a fake heal claim from Maple, she’s town shrug .

how did min bus marl
what

yeah… no, min did not bus Marl whatsoever
and I have enough reasons now to believe min is town and most likely is confirmed by other town.

@Arctic

i’m pretty sure she would wallpost as scum too because it’d be fucking obvious if she didn’t

it definitely would be obvious if I suddenly didn’t wallpost, lol

@Intensify

I think I get what Eevee and Maple were trying to do yesterday but I’m pretty sure it was too obvious and probably caused more harm than good

this is what I said lol.

@Arctic

it was scummy
but ignoring whether or not it appears to be scummy, what he did hurts him more as a wolf than it does as town

me? yes, I voted myself at least twice. (: at the very least it should clear me from being mafia JoaT, and my read on Marl should also help now.

@Arctic

anyway we’re ignoring all the JOAT claims
like i fail to believe that maple/eevee are claiming JOAT as the last 2 scum, this just doesn’t happen
(same for eli and min but i’m pretty sure these are the real JOATs)

I agree 100% and because of the awkward way in which the JoaT claims were outed, I don’t think scum would risk covering for them. I’m pretty sure all 4 of them are town, but then it begs the question of what the heck the scum were doing last night, lol.

@Intensify

I mean that argument could be abused in a lot of cases.

“We haven’t seen a scumgame from Wind so hard defending a scum isn’t AI”

“We haven’t seen a scumgame from Wind so voting confirmed Joat isn’t suspicious”

These are examples

you haven’t seen a scumgame from me so I could be scum! yes, that argument could absolutely be abused.

@Intensify

I wasn’t saying that her wallposting was what made her towny, I was saying that the effort of trying to make reads and thoughts based off of very little content was towny to me

someone else said the exact opposite lol

[Arctic]

@WindwardAway

@Arctic

it was scummy

but ignoring whether or not it appears to be scummy, what he did hurts him more as a wolf than it does as town

me? yes, I voted myself at least twice. (: at the very least it should clear me from being mafia JoaT, and my read on Marl should also help now.

no i was talking about maple lol

@WindwardAway

someone else said the exact opposite lol

it was illwei and i explained why his read was crappy

[Intensify]

Well I mean, I wasn’t really around EOD cause the night before I lost all faith when you guys starting pushing Eli with 4 Joat claims or whatever, but I’m feeling better or atleast I understand things a little better now

[WindwardAway]

@Marluxion

Manti / eevee has a scum in it, if not two

@Marluxion

the Manti slot in the scumteam list also counts if Eevee is scum instead of Manti

@Marluxion

Windward
Maple
Arctic
Order to lynch once I’m gone

Windward is mafia 100% and if maple is a miss you hit eevee

Arctic is right actually, Marl said to get Maple first and Eevee only after, so never mind.

@Marluxion

If min flips JOAT immediately lynch pkr

@Marluxion

If min flips town at all I want to kill pkr

@Marluxion

Pkrs reaction to mins claim is exactly what I’d expect from a tense wolf pkr

@Marluxion

Notice pkr also offwagon on a vanity eevee wagon that never gets hit today

@Marluxion

I want to cfd pkr but I also don’t want to die

@Marluxion

Give me two more votes and PKR becomes DKR
Donkey Kong Ryan

@Marluxion

Fine but if I’m right you vote pkr tomorrow

btw, all this plus one more post above that with “if min is joat then get pkr” also makes me think PKR is very unlikely to be scum.

[min]

Truth is this

Scum roleblocked eli

Scum attacked eevee, I healed eevee

[Arctic]

Locktown: Min, Eli
Obvtown: Wind
Town: Maple, Eeevee, Intensify, PKR (from what wind just posted, it seems quite likely PKR is spewed town)
Scumlean: Derps, Light
Scum: Illwei, Shurian

[Arctic]

poe is illwei/shurian

[WindwardAway]

the main reason why it doesn’t matter in this game if the joats are actually outed is because they’re not really that useful, as we determined. lol.

locktowning min, eevee, maple and eli.
min and eli because they’re not making any effort to let eevee and maple do the covering for them, and eevee and maple because i highly doubt they’d cover for the joats as scum.

if one of them actually is scum then they’ve done a bamboozle and i’m even stupider than i thought.

[Intensify]

I would put Light near the town section, I think they’re town

[WindwardAway]

reasons?

[Intensify]

Look at light’s ISO.

They give me towny pings and there seems to be decent solving. Also maybe this sounds dumb but it looks proffessional? But I mean they’ve overall not really given me any scum pings and have only made posts that I believe probably come from town

[Arctic]

actually i’m making a new tier because i don’t think intensify and PKR and in the same level as eevee and maple

Locktown: Min, Eli
Obvtown: Wind
Town: Maple, Eevee
Townlean: Intensify, PKR (from what wind just posted, it seems quite likely PKR is spewed town)
Scumlean: Derps, Light
Scum: Illwei, Shurian

and no i’m not moving light

[Intensify]

They’re kinda ICs tho? If you ask me, 2 ICs are pretty damn good

[Aelin]

@WindwardAway

@Aelin

Because I still think that Min is slightly scummy socially, but unless it was a hardbus on Marl and a fake heal claim from Maple, she’s town shrug .

I read it as min just being min tbh… lol
what about Intensify?

I got some decently towny pings off of Intensify at the start, and I haven’t really seen anything to change my mind since then.

@Arctic

@Aelin

From what little I remember of thread

Derps scum is unlikely

elaborate
because derps scum is looking pretty viable to me, although less so than illwei and shurian

What you do with derps is you make a read and then reverse it and you’ll be correct at least 80% of the time

@Arctic

on this note, wasn’t it light that defended marl saying that could be how he acted normally? like even if that’s true, the awkwardness didn’t seem like a personality thing
it seemed more like a wolfy presence in the thread
so this makes light look slightly worse (if it was him)

it was me shrug

@Arctic

@Aelin

Because I still think that Min is slightly scummy socially, but unless it was a hardbus on Marl and a fake heal claim from Maple, she’s town shrug .

how did min bus marl
what

I said unless
geez
I’m not saying that it definitely happened

[Arctic]

@Intensify

Also maybe this sounds dumb but it looks proffessional?

yes it does sound dumb

@Intensify

But I mean they’ve overall not really given me any scum pings and have only made posts that I believe probably come from town

it’s pretty obvious now that scum have been going under the radar and light falls into this category
the only reason he isn’t in shurian/illwei tier is because you’re right, he hasn’t really given scum pings