(Yet Another) Noble Rework [For Less Confirmability]

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#21

I know, because it’s so confirmable. It’s like Royal Finger, except even better I think.

#22

One is like finger and the other is like decide fate. If I had to pick one I would keep finger

#23

If we’re trying to reduce confirmability it would have to be the other way around though.

#24

Exept that isn’t our only goal. We also want Ability’s that serve a meaningful purpose. Since political pressure accomplishes this but noble twins does not that means that noble twins is the one that should be removed.

#25

I’m not sure political pressure is significantly, if at all, more useful than noble twin. Could you demonstrate this?

#26

Absolutely! Anytime that your faction controls the same or one less votes than an opposing faction you can use political pressure to get someone lynched when it would otherwise be impossible. In addition to that it interacts with other vote related abilitys such as Reaper and Hunter.

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#27

Which is why maybe Noble could’ve gotten a passive that allows them to use both Day Abilities in the same day but nope, which makes NT useless

#28

Actually still no. At that point the extra vote is redundant because you have already flipped majority

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#29

In a 1 v 2 situation, where Noble is the 1 and the 2 is Assassin + Unseen Convert,

oh wait Noble dies at night nevermind

#30

3v2 noble+butler vs 3 Unseen

#31

That situation is winning with just PP and not NT. Force one Unseen to vote the MM. Vote him up with the Butler. Vote him out on trial since only 1 unseen can vote and 2 BD can vote. Butler occupys the assassin. Repeat next day. It is now 2 BD vs 1 Unseen

#32

wait PP blocks that player from also voting guilty or innocent? I guess I haven’t used it enough or payed enough attention

then NT is completely useless

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#33

I was Noble in a cult game and got converted into a winning cult game, too bad I used CP on the bloody sellsword and outed myself in the process, but having a noble on your side in a kingless late-game is equal to having a king

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#34

“force one player to vote another and prevent further voting” Guilty and innocent is voting and is thus blocked

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#35

In fact Noble is stronger for that reason

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#36

Ah thanks, I see. Noble Twin is indeed redundant and inferior to Political Pressure in almost all situations.

However, the last few times I have tried to use Political Pressure on a reaped person, it did not work. It simply wasted a use of the ability. I’m not sure if it would work on a chilled person either.

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#37

I am referring to chill. Not Reap (but that is interesting. I didn’t know that)

#38

Then let’s do some theorycrafting

what would be a good second Day Ability for Noble that

is Social

Useful

Non- completely confirmable

Yet also balanced

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#39

Maybe we could give him one of the spy’s ability that Nuke made?

#40

I mean we could also give him a secret double vote ability like in FoL