Butler is awful, new change is great but also worse

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#41

We need some
Classes confirmable but some not

#42

It’s not an inherent problem that some classes are more powerful than others as long as every class retains enough power. (Note that I definitely still disagree that Butler is less powerful than Drunk.) Prince is the strongest BD role when compared to others and that gives evils a need to select their targets and also apply social deduction. I know as reaper for instance that I would kill a drunk almost over a Prince or previously a Possessor would go after a Psychic, possibly harder than after Prince. Power imbalances do not have to be flaws in the game as long as every class feels powerful enough. Butler more than accomplishes that with his one-shot kill king in my opinion.

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#43

Ok so now it is like that but it’s a butler instead.

#44

Can the butler posion be healed?

#45

You could say that but making everyone untrustable is destroying winrates for bd and maybe even neuts

#46

Yes

#47

But it doesn’t say You are poisioned basically meaning ALCH STAY ON ME

#48

You can suspect or trust people without the game mechanics definitively confirming it. There’s no skill in knowing that you were occupied.

A much more interesting game moment is when the sheriff is on the stand. Who did they investigate last night? Was that actually someone who’s been acting suspicious? Where are their scouts? Etc.

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#49

The problem is that the Butlers job is done by other classes better. Aka the Drunk. I’m fine with a class being overall more useful in more situations than another but I would always want a Drunk over a Butler.

#50

What about we let the butler poison anyone? That would be a HUGE BUFF

Income the prince deaths

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#51

Not helping. He needs his PRIMARY Ability to be buffed. That’s what makes or breaks a class and that’s the reason why Drunk is so much better.

#52

We can’t really let MM get the blunt of it for just to buff ONE CLASS

#53

Unseen rely on the MM

#54

Besides the Butlers wine VS drunk Deb no ability is straight up better in every way than any other ability within the same faction. They either have a Utility difference, or a limit on the uses or something.

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#55

MM was just an example.

#56

Noble forcing a merc to vote there target is priceless tho

#57

I guess? Why bring that up here?

#58

Idk I thought of it

#59

Well anyways I would want to push the Make Wine temperarily remove death Immunity instead of HH.

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#60

Idk I thought of it

Mastermind went to mystic went to aristocrat