[Class Suggestion] Messanger/Mole

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Messanger

Blue Dragon Social

Night Ability 1: Report - Get target player’s feedback if their action was successful. Does not see attacks or conversions (they return unsuccessful). (Unlimited)
Night Ability 2: Message - Send a copy of your first targets feedback to your second. You do not know what the feedback was. (2 uses)

Mole

Unseen Social

Day Ability: Audit - Target player will not get feedback from their Ability’s tonight. (2 uses)

Night Ability 1: Mislead - Target player will think their ability failed. You will know what their results would have been. (Unlimited)
Night Ability 2: Courier - Send a copy of the first targets feedback to the second. You will know what the feedback was. (2 uses)

A social class about feedback manipulation! And a bit more claimable than Hunter if you have enough information

Falure definitions

Sheriff = NS
Paladin = NS, Watched over
Knight = Watched over
Physician = DNR
Noble = No feedback (maid returns failed)
Observer = No visits/No visitors, BD
Princess = Always succeeeds, Attacker
Hunter = Beared and attacked. (Wolf returns successful)
Prince = Always returns failed
Butler = Occupy Immunity, Party returns successful
Drunk = Occupy Immunity, Party returns successful
CW = Did not block, Tornado returns successful
MM = Convert immune target
Mystic = Returns failed

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#2

@Moleland

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#3

ummm doesn’t noble have report in the form of gossip?

#4

No. He doesn’t

#5

But yeah getting feedback seems way too confirmable. GUY VISITED. Now you know exactly who an Observer is

But apologies for misreading.

#6

If you happen to already know he is an observer for any reason then your set. And there is lots of ways to get someone’s class as scum.

#7

Ok maybe not with observer but you get my point

#8

Messenger*

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#9

remember. NuclearBurrito is the worst at spelling on these forums.

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#10

Who ever said I was better outside of the forums?

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#11

Seems like a good suggestion for a new insta-exe on trial person.

And for honest opinions:
Messenger
BD Investigative

Mole
Unseen Social

The BD version of Messenger is more of an investigative rather than social since he pulls out potential classes from someone. It’s still a pseudo-social class, but I think Investigative fits better.

Mole is more of a Social though. Their abilities disrupt the end-result sort of like Fool and Scorned. They can also entirely block the end-result. A much more “Social” character than Messenger.

#12

But since another person gets the feedback then that’s social

so technically a pally who checked a person and another person got his results = social

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#13

Reasonable, but I still think Messenger fits as Invest instead of Social since instead of knowing what other people did to your target, you now know exactly what your target did. It’s a hard-counter against all converted classess too. Just plop a messenger on them and he already knows that the person is converted. (Unless this is Servant/Invoker/Sage/Ritualist)

Socials shouldn’t be able to do that.
And for that reason it should be Investigative since they gather knowledge.

#14

To be fair that would make him at best as good as a Sheriff. And even then it doesn’t work for that most of the time.

#15

True, but my point still stands, The Messenger gather classes, should it really be a social?
Shouldn’t it be an Investigative?

#16

You could say the same for Noble and having his main ability being Gossip

#17

But hes social

since 2 people get the info = social

#18

As I stated above, I think Noble fits social because he doesn’t know who the original user was. + He also has Spy. He also needs to be lucky to find out who is being targetted.
Messenger however does not fit in with the same terminology since he literally knows exactly what response a certain player got. This fits much better in as an investigative.

#19

You can go check the wiki definition of it

(I would copy/paste bit it isn’t working)

#20

The original user thing is semantics. If you think Gossip is social then Report is social. If you think Gossip is investigative then Report is investigative.