Continue Tweaking the Scorned

The new Scorned was just announced, but I think it’ll need a few slight tweaks to prevent it from losing its old identity.

In short, the new Scorned now needs to survive long enough to see four public executions. It also has a new night ability alongside Frame called “Stalk”, which allows it to investigate players to determine their alignment up to three times.

The problem? This kit and wincon are not incompatible with the Blue Dragon. In fact, the ability to investigate may be directly helpful to them! This can be a problem, as it is now not only possible but in fact desiriable for the Scorned to out themselves, promise not to frame people, and act as the Blue Dragon’s new investigator.

What really makes this problematic is the fact that Scorned is immediately provable and essentially unkillable at night. Having Trollbox allows the Scorned to prove that it isn’t the NK, Unseen, or Cult, and having full-time night immunity means thaf a rogue Scorned is much harder for the other evils to stop than it should be. Sure, you can use night-immunity-piercing methods to kill it, but those are usually slow and/or limited for the scum, requiring either the Neutral Killer or the main faction to put a heavy investment into killing somebody that could, and in fact should, be their ally (something they should both usually avoid, especially the NK).

So, how do we fix this? I don’t honestly think it would be that hard. Simply change Scorned’s wincon from needing to live to see four executions to needing to see three Blue Dragon executed or to see the Blue Dragon lose. This essentially prevents the new Scorned from becoming an ally to the BD.

Additionally, I think Stalk is better off being replaced with Bait and Switch, a move that works just like the Court Wizard’s tornado. The ability to swap around players can help you protect scummy players, frame good ones, and generally confuse the Blue Dragon to help you achieve your goal.

So, where does that leave us?

The Scorned
Neutral Social

Resolve (Passive) - Immune to most occupation and redirection abilities. Immune to death at night. This is lost when you achieve your objective.

Troll Box (Day) - Choose a target player and whisper a short phrase into the troll box. It will appear as if that player said it. (Infinite uses)

Frame (Night) - Make your target appear suspicious to investigative classes. (Infinite uses)
Bait and Switch (Night) - Cause all players targeting one of your targets to target the other. Bypasses redirection immunity. (3 uses)

Your objective is to live to see 3 members of the Blue Dragon publicly executed, or to live to see the Blue Dragon defeated.

I think this Scorned works much better at blending its old nature with a new, more general wincon, and would love to see it implemented soon.

Oh, and if you still want Stalk, if this Scorned needs a buff it could always come back as a day ability. Three uses seems like a bit much, as day investigations can be really powerful, but on this version of the Scorned it should be okay. After all, it’s certainly not using day investigations to find the scum anymore!

Stalk (Day) - Discover a player’s faction. (2 uses)

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I definitely agree here. The wincon needs to be changed to only BD members being mislynched otherwise this ends up creating a night-immune, automatically confirmed neutral that is too BD sided.

The Scorned should in general be a social neutral who’s entire purpose is to cast doubt on early-game accusations. This rework is just terrible as it tries to turn her into a pseudo-investigative role with a mismatched goal.

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/support

and Hippo is back to old Hippo yes

100% agree, his new wincon is awful if Im honest.

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The best thing about your version of it is that the Scorned has 2 options, be active and push for 3 mislynches, or if that fails, patiently wait and see the BD fall.

Either wincon means that the BD does not want the Scorned to be around regardless, as endgame she will always be a vote against them.

I like it, but scorned should only have a single win con. 2 might be to easy

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the point would be that getting 3 BD lynched is ridicukously hard; even 2 is difficult

According to Boslof, there are an average of 3.7 public executions per game.

Getting 3 BD executed is no easy task, but it’s a good goal to push Scorned players towards to help direct their earlygame actions.

If they can swap in the lategame to acting like a true Neural Evil, all the better. If they already got three BD executed, they’ve more than helped scum enough in most cases to guarantee NK/Unseen/Cult victory and deserve a win even if they are killed.

We could make it to see 2 BD lynched

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Personally, I think that’s a little bit easy given Trollbox and Frame.

Would definitely prefer 3 and NE wincon.

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One of those

If it were to lose one I’d drop Trollbox and make it Neutral Support tbh

Neutral support with a frame as the primary ability? I don’t think so

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Actually Bait and Switch would the the primary ability :slight_smile:

Bait and Switch is a terrible ability for the Scorned

How so?

It can be used to sow distrust and confusion pretty effectively.

Unlike in FoL people know when they are swapped. It simply won’t accomplish it’s purpose of confusing others

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Oh wow

That’s wack man

And unlimited uses of a hidden swap is broken.

Unlimited frames and 2-3 hidden swaps makes more sense

Fixed