Countries FM - The Cold War - Game Over - Communism is Victorious! - (2/24)

[Centuries]

currently wondering if leafia 60 posting is ai

i think that until leafia is pressured the post count isnt very ai at all

[Centuries]

@Centuries

Who do I think is town

Anyway back to this

Strong Town reads

Vulgard/YBW/Windward top town
Astand/AT/PKR/TWL strong reads

POE slots we should sort today who I believe have odds to flip w

Ami/Leafia/Gorta/Cheese

[Centuries]

/vote Gorta

@Wazza @CRichard564

is somewhere id like to see votes at tbf

[Centuries]

@Centuries

POE slots we should sort today who I believe have odds to flip w

idk if Leafia getting sorted today is optimal but I think it’s something I’d like to do

same with ami tbh

[CRichard564]

Accused	Voters	Count
Light	sculptordwarf,eevee	2/11
Ami	Vulgard	1/11
Centuries	Light	1/11
AtNoName	rat	1/11
Leafia	AtNoName	1/11
ClonedCheese	min	1/11
an_gorta_pratai	Centuries	1/11
Not voting	Ami, dota, PKR, YoubutWorse, WindwardAway, ArcticXI, astand, Leafia, an_gorta_pratai, TrustworthyLiberal, Clonedcheese, Kyodaz	12

[dota]

history repeats itself

[YoubutWorse]

The thing about gorta is I feel like they were more active during their scum game, but I dont know if theyre just trying a new strategy or are just town

[dota]

unfortunate that i didn’t get a chance to play with seth

also is there a way to make the forum have pages?
what i end up doing is just mindlessly scrolling as if i’m on social media without reading anything

[clonedcheese]

I started with a VCA on the wagons yesterday and I ended up with a 17-people ISO

I need more time ._.

[sculptordwarf]

What

[WindwardAway]

Welp hi, I think I’m too tired to do the ISOing now and I gotta sleep soon anyway, but I’ll get going on it when I’m awake. Seems like we’re looking at Light, Leafia and Gorta today? And Cheese when he’s done his thing? I might take a look at Centuries too.

Good night from my corner of the world!

[Aelin]

@sculptordwarf can you please acknowledge you’ve read the post this is replied to? I’d like to hear your thoughts afterword.

[CRichard564]

A replacement is needed.

@Marshal, @Katze, @Nightingale, @Trochilidae and @Amelia please respond if you’re able to replace in.

[clonedcheese]

So here’s the VC from yesterday.

@Wazza

Accused	Voters	Count
Majora	Leafia, Centuries, Solic, ArctixXI, YoubutWorse, PKR, EliThePsycho	7/13
ElithePsycho	Light, WindwardAway, Mistyx, rat, astand, KyoDaz, an_gorta	7/13
clonedcheese	TrustworthyLiberal, sculptordwarf, dota, min	4/13
ArcticXI	Vulgard	1/13
Vulgard	Eevee	1/13
No Elimination	clonedcheese	1/13
Not voted	Ami, AtNoName, Majora	3

All three top wagons at EoD yesterday was town, meaning that scum was very active and constantly pushing, scum didn’t care how the vote went, or both. I want to look at what people have as reasoning for each vote.

Votes on Majora

Vulgard

Although this slot ended up voting Arctic at EoD and leaving it there, they were one of the first to vote up Majora and many others sheeped their reasonings on the vote. A summary of their reasoning:

Summary

@Vulgard

majora (unlike rat and maybe sculptordwarf, this gimmick feels wolfy because the player is shielding themselves from having to delve in and provide opinions they need to stand by later. their posts have been rather non-committal and they actively avoided voicing takes on the game in favor of the gimmick, which is a huge negative point for me)

@Vulgard

@min

ur voting majora? why??

why not

@Vulgard

i think majora shows signs of not knowing what to do and that’s a frozen wolf-ish thing here
should die

@Vulgard

the thing is
if it’s seth
then it’s someone I can read with like
100% accuracy
and I’m saying he’s mafia

@Vulgard

do you also think majora’s claim is fake or is there something else

Their reasoning can be boiled down to two points:

1. A manufactured gimmick that appears to be an attempt to avoid playing the game
2. Vibereads on behavior + claim

Personally I’m just lost - why is “they’re not helping” a valid reason to execute? Why is “they’re trying to be mysterious on purpose” a valid reason to wagon them? As pointed out repeatedly, this is NAI. And yet people just continuing to push this and eventually leading to a kill makes me think scum just went over to the fruit hanging right below eye level, reached out their hand, and plucked it right off the branch. At this time, though, I’ll chalk it up to a difference in philosophy and just leave it be, since many seem to share this sentiment for some reason .-.
(feel free to educate me on this during or after the game)

And people may say “well they didn’t end up posting much content,” but Vulgard’s first accusation came at post #922, which was only halfway into d1 and was at a point where a lot of people were slanking - why Majora specifically? Not to mention them pushing elsewhere briefly only to come back to Majora quite often (3 votes on majora total)

Little possibility of agenda on Vulgard only because they were the wagon-starter.

Leafia

The first vote on Majora that scuck on until EoD.
The extent of their explanations:

@Leafia

Yeah, they seem pretty wolfy to me tbh.

…ok?
Then an EoD that rushed onto Eli, to which they replied:

@Leafia

This wouldn’t be happening right now if Majora was town.

I feel like this attitude comes from town!Leafia; iirc they’re not one to explain their reads extensively, but the EoD attitude indicates towniness.

YouButWorse

@YoubutWorse

If you arent gonna contribute anything, then theres no point in “profiling”, since we arent gonna believe you. Even if you have literally every scum locked, theres no reason if you have no presence and arent able to get it out there.

Again with the weird reasoning! This is a reason for pressure but not an ultimate vote at EoD. However, to me Worse looks like they are genuinely trying to engage with Majora, and in the mindset of a flailing townie

Windward

@WindwardAway

Majora, you’re giving me (or probably most of us by now) wolfy vibes.

@WindwardAway

Majora just seems to be dodging everyone’s questions as an alt account to someone who is probably usually an obvwolf if I had to guess.

Viberead + “they aren’t doing stuff”
Something that’s pretty transparent though:

@WindwardAway

And so did Gorta in the 9er, and it ended up being indicative of his being scum even though he kept saying he was just lazy.

As I argued previously, this may just be individuals reflecting similar behavior as town and scum, and Windward associating the behavior with scum only because they playing with them in a scum game. However, taking experiences from the last game and transferring it seems like a towny mindset.

PKR

@PokemonKidRyan

Out of all of the wagons I am happiest with this one.

Comes back EoD, with some readings, but they reaaaallly defend TL a lot in the process…

Nulltown from the behavior on Majora only, but their reasoning of “not TL” is kinda scummy IMO.

Centuries

@Centuries

Actually that post made me go from “null whatever” to “actually im fine with this gone”

Policy
…although I disagree with this, I think someone calling for a policy exe this early is inherently towny

Overall Thoughts

Most people that voted Majora was out of “they’re not contributing, therefore hiding scum,” with a policy of exe’ing a non-cooperative member definitely contributing. I’d like to question how the hell this went to a such a large wagon rather than staying at a pressure level - clearly some of the pushers were scum. Some individuals I find more townier than others, despite having the same viewpoints. The only one I’d say has any evidence of scumminess is Vulgard for them starting the wagon and constantly pushing it, but that in itself is a weak one.

Readlist of people mentioned above, in order

Just in the context of “who’s most likely scum based on majora vote”:
Town

Windward
Centuries
Youbutworse
Leafia
PKR
Vulgard

Scum

I meant to do this for Eli and myself but those parts aren’t finalized due to collegeapps
expect them by around the chess tournament tmrw

Going to sleep, you have the next 15 mins to ask any questions

fuck I just read this through and I’m missing Arctic

uuh ill add that tmrw with the other ones

[astand]

F.

This is going to be one of these game, isn’t it?

Fwiw I don’t think anyone other than Mistyx makes sense to be factional kill, but whatever, I won’t discuss it, since it’s speculative.

[Aelin]

Yeah, probably

[astand]

@Vulgard (since you are here)

Can you go into a bit more detail about Ami?

If wagons were V/V, then what was Ami’s motivation at EoD? To get a more powerful villager role out (that doesn’t feel really worth bringing the attention to them tbh).

I don’t usually like making TWTBAW reads, but here we are.

[Aelin]

Also, astand, I felt your EoD was a little shaky. You were on TL for a bit, then just kinda hopped on over to Eli. You didn’t feel very commital to either one of them, and considering the wagons were T/T…

[Vulgard]

@clonedcheese

Personally I’m just lost - why is “they’re not helping” a valid reason to execute? Why is “they’re trying to be mysterious on purpose” a valid reason to wagon them?

i’m in the middle of class but my reasoning was mostly meta
i’m still surprised i was wrong honestly but that calls for re-eval

@clonedcheese

Not to mention them pushing elsewhere briefly only to come back to Majora quite often (3 votes on majora total)

yeah but i then voted tl and ended on arctic so i’m not sure how much it matters
i need to reread arctic’s eod sometime later

also starting a wagon on town is like
town do that too, which is why i’m not scumreading people because their votes were on town last eod

@astand

If wagons were V/V, then what was Ami’s motivation at EoD? To get a more powerful villager role out (that doesn’t feel really worth bringing the attention to them tbh).

i feel like the vote was just there as a throwaway either because she wanted to make sure her vote existed or because wolves told her to vote x person
kyo says it was him who told her to vote the person she was voting so it could also be an appeal to town authority

[astand]

@Aelin

You were on TL for a bit, then just kinda hopped on over to Eli. You didn’t feel very commital to either one of them, and considering the wagons were T/T…

And how do you know TL was a villager in that situation?