Darling in the Franxx SFM - Game Over | Mafia Win

[Nikamara]

*is. I speak english I swear D:

[Zone_Q11]

@Whysper

I originally had Blitz as a TL. […] Luk indicated he thought Blitz was possible scum, […]. I put Blitz as null now.

Wow. Sheeping much?

@Whysper

I was thinking Lemon and Nika are the highest SRs for me. So I thought Lemon was the better option to kill RB.

Explain why those two are scummy and why you didn’t think of me then, but have me in your scumleans.

[Nikamara]

@Zone_Q11 ^

[Chloe]

Random thought dump time, while this is on my mind

@Helz

Guillotina has gotten a lot of attention but I seriously get Jester vibes there. The way she got all excited and self voted as the train built up while overtly refusing to give reads in a way that almost felt like she was taunting players who were asking for reasoning. I do not think we should lynch this slot and honestly, if it keeps up they could make for a good Vig target if we have one.

@Mercenary

But if jesters aren’t a possibility, what would you think of Guillotina?

@Helz

My issue is that her play does not make sense for either town or scum. Its just obstinate as fuck for no reason. With the amount of defending herself she has had to do she could have spent much less energy just… giving a reason. There is a part of me that feels like this would not be a play someone would make as scum for the attention its drawing and thats kinda underscored with the self vote. I could see an argument for LHF gambit to break RVS but I do not think she thinks that way as a player…

Overall If Jester is not a thing between the amount of pressure from all over and her nonsensical play’s I would be between feeling she is more likely town and being fucking afraid of her living until the late game if she is. I should probably read back through her while blotting ‘jester’ out of my mind before giving any real kind of answer though.

Paraphrased:
‘I think Guillo is Jester - lets not elim there today’
‘If Jester cant exist then idk their play doesnt make sense regardless of alignment’

This is the type of read you provide on a partner who is receiving a lot of flak, in order to suggest you agree with the attention they’re garnering, but incentivize people to not vote there

Also within this quote is something else that pings me horribly

I could see an argument for LHF gambit to break RVS but I do not think she thinks that way as a player

Funnily enough, this was Guillo’s exact reasoning for their scummy behavior at SoD; ‘it was a reaction test lol’

Helz gave them an out - something they could use to excuse their actions - rather than pushing for the elim on this easy LHF.
Guillo took the out, too:

@Guillotina

I guess it’s time to explain why i did it the way i did huh.

1. To take us out of RVS
2. To generate reactions and pushes
3. To give my fellow townies content to read and analyze
4. To haunt for potential fake townreads.

The thing is that Helz gave the guy a strong townread for this behavior, and stated that it’s a town mindset to act intentionally scummy in RVS to get reactions
But my issue is that I see no indication that Guillo’s behavior changed at all. I don’t feel like anything he did after this point where he outted the RT is any different from things he did during it - except for the fact that he stopped selfvoting, I guess
It’s the easiest excuse in the book. ‘Oh I looked scummy because I was trying to!’
It felt like he was taking the opportunity to back out of the hole he was in by piggybacking off of Helz idea

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I’m trying to back out of my mindset that this slot is veryveryvery likely to be a hit, and it almost feels unfair to push Whysper for things Guillo did, or things Wisp/Helz did with regards to Guillo, as she can’t easily defend them (same for how i’d feel like doodoo if people were reading me primarily off of Erika) but I really do find his behavior to be wolfy as hell, and while I want to take Luk’s read to heart I just haven’t seen anything notable from Whysper that pushes me in the other direction (in fact, what i’ve seen from Whysper has made me feel a bit worse )

Blah

[Zone_Q11]

Zone’s Unofficial Votecount

Accused	Voter	Number
Whysper	Prophylaxis, Aelin, Nikamara	3/7
Lemonfairy	TheLukundo, Zone_Q11	2/7
Not Voting	Wisdom, min, Lemonfairy, WindwardAway, Whysper, Blitz, Mercenary, Chloe	8

[Whysper]

@Zone_Q11

D3 Whysper stood alongside Wiisp.
D4 Whysper stood alongside Helz (though Helz’ vote came after he was pretty much about to die).

Yes, I did defend Wiisp D3. But to clarify Helz since you and I think a couple others keep misstating my stance. I did not defend Helz. I did have them earlier as a TL, but then said I was starting to see some of the points people were making about them possibly being scum. True, I didn’t bother switching my vote and just kept it on Lemon. But Helz was going to be the execution that day anyway. I might as well keep my position on Lemon as my strongest SR.

[Zone_Q11]

Oh. I see. Give me a moment to respond.

[Whysper]

@TheLukundo

Nah nah nah. Apparently Whys voted to save Helz according to Zone

No, this is incorrect. I wasn’t attempting to save/defend Helz.

Darling in the Franxx SFM - [13/21] | Day 5

Yes, I did defend Wiisp D3. But to clarify Helz since you and I think a couple others keep misstating my stance. I did not defend Helz. I did have them earlier as a TL, but then said I was starting to see some of the points people were making about them possibly being scum. True, I didn’t bother switching my vote and just kept it on Lemon. But Helz was going to be the execution that day anyway. I might as well keep my position on Lemon as my strongest SR.

[Zone_Q11]

@Nikamara

I will as soon as soon as I stop replying here XD.

Good news: Your explanations are so good, I don’t even have anything to say about it.

Bad news (for me):

@Nikamara

@Whysper

/vote Lemonfairy @osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

I’m going to park my vote here. I was reading the interactions with Lemon and do think there’s scum potential there.

Still interested in seeing if Luk discovers more with his push on Helz though.

before this, Whsyper never sussed Lemon. I feel like Lemon was an easy vote to latch onto especially after she was cased by Proph, and the choice of words is unsettling. “park my vote here” feels opportunistic to me. Also, she never explained what about Lemon’s interactions was scummy or even who she interacted with that made her SR Lemon. X-x The “interested” in Luk discovering more on Helz feels like a throw away. It looks like distancing. Especially along with this next post.

Seeing this makes me feel like Lemlem is town, which in turn would imply that I am currently at war with another town.
…I feel like I’m fighting Marshal from Return of the Darkness Upick.

[Zone_Q11]

To be fair, I didn’t say that you defended Helz.
I said that you -or to be more precise, your vote- stood alongside Helz.

[Nikamara]

@Zone_Q11

Seeing this makes me feel like Lemlem is town, which in turn would imply that I am currently at war with another town.
…I feel like I’m fighting Marshal from Return of the Darkness Upick.

I am town reading lemon because of her blitz case day 2, I liked her defense against proph, and she was one of the other options to the Helz lynch ._. I think that’s pretty telling.

[Zone_Q11]

@Zone_Q11

Seeing this makes me feel like Lemlem is town, which in turn would imply that I am currently at war with another town.
…I feel like I’m fighting Marshal from Return of the Darkness Upick.

Thing about Marshal back then is: She made such a bad logic by scumreading people only because they are in POE and nothing else, and she was only lock!town because of mech.

[Prophylaxis]

Alright, should be here for the next couple of hours or so.

yada yada catching up, yada yada am around for real time

[Zone_Q11]

I didn’t read her case on Blitz.
I don’t remember her defense against Proph.
I don’t see how her being the only wagon other than Helz on D4 is alignment-indicative.

[Zone_Q11]

Wanna have a TLDR or are you good to go?

[Prophylaxis]

Nah it’s fine, only 400-500ish posts

It’s when it gets to 800/1k that I start actually complaining.

[Zone_Q11]

Cool. See you soon.

[Nikamara]

it’s there
it’s there
alright you’re entitled to your own logic XD

[Nikamara]

going to sleep now. good night lovely ppl and Zone

[min]

Im not paranoid ?