Darling in the Franxx SFM - Game Over | Mafia Win

[Blitz]

@Lemonfairy

Maybe I read your post wrong or something. Why would you talk about the timing of wanting to vote for Wiisp if you don’t think there’s a w/w thing going on?

nah I was mainly adding on to that discussion about aelins vote at that time.

@Nikamara

Lemonfairy’s analysis of EoD1 is really good. To add to that. Imo if Wisp is scum then Tilg and min probably are too.

I agree with Lemon and Zone my dear if wisp is also town, you EoD actions do look opportunistic.

How so min?
Also yeah it can seem that way but for swapping back to PKR at the core I just wanted to ensure a tie didn’t happen

[WindwardAway]

I’m doing something wrong if I end up backtracking this much, so I’ll do my best to reeval before EoD. I should be here for that, but there’s a small chance I’ll miss it in which case I’ll probably give a heads up and leave my vote and a legacy post of sorts on where I’m at.

[Mercenary]

@WindwardAway

Looking for who’s online sounds like an angleshooty tactic, and scum likes to lurk without posting for that matter anyway, so it’s useless to consider doing that. Speaking of which, I’m among the players who didn’t debate the mason claims and accepted them as truth, and gave my reasons in the thread for it, so I don’t know why you aren’t looking into my slot for doing so.

Nah it’s the default protocol for PR claims. Scum has TMI.
Not angleshooting since literally all information is in the game thread. Just “who posted around that time and didn’t care for the bomb”.

[Wisp]

its angleshooty, and gross

[min]

@Blitz

How so min?

because i defended against the wiisp cfd as it looked bad at the time

[Nikamara]

because of this post that he made after saying min was scummy

@Tilgarial

Me
And if not
I resist a min wagon

[Nikamara]

@Blitz

Also yeah it can seem that way but for swapping back to PKR at the core I just wanted to ensure a tie didn’t happen

assuming tie = no lynch here I can buy that

[min]

ew

im not letting myself be grouped with tig because of that post lmao

[min]

@Tilgarial why not a min wagon

[Nikamara]

I wouldn’t if I were you X-x I mean we already have me and a mason outed. You’re my strongest town lean atm. If I’m right on you, the less info we give to scum the better.

[Nikamara]

ooooooooooooh wait I read reeval which means reevaluate as reveal. nvm nvm.

[Nikamara]

going to bed now. good night everyone <3 will hopefully not miss EoD this time.

[Zone_Q11]

@Helz

Its useful to me to track these things so when someone’s read changes I notice and can look into ‘why.’ It also allows me to track macro patterns which can indicate association.

The point of that post was to explain why I had you as that stance and what process that came from.

That is a lovely explanation, but it does not answer my question.

This is what happened:

• I saw you say I scumread Lemlem
• I say I don’t remember doing that
• You responded by explaining the tracking and/or marking thingy
• I (want to) ask you why you explained about your means (i.e. tracking) rather than your ends (i.e. saying I scumread Lemlem)

The only interaction I had with Lemlem at D1 was the meta topic with the war, but that got resolved peacefully with my side effectively doing nothing to her. I don’t recall actively scumreading her.

@Helz

As to why I rambled about philosophy and stuff its because there is something wrong with me where I struggle to not ramble about stuff I am passionate about. I recognized this isn’t the place and pushed in that direction but I really internally struggle to stop myself sometimes.

@Nikamara

Silviu is the one who derailed the topic, but it reminded me of a book I finished reading recently. you can follow the convo in the replies both ways. All started cuz I was asking if he had some sort of post restriction. Helz was around the time and just weighed in on our philosophical discussion.

*squints eyes*
Welp. It is what it is.
Please restrain yourselves next time.
Clogging the thread is not good in general.

[Mercenary]

Lmao how so
It’s like seeing how people are reacting at the D1 EoD

[Mercenary]

What I’m seeing is either people misinterpreting what I mean or actively discouraging seeing how people react to Marl’s/his mason’s mason claim

[Zone_Q11]

@TheLukundo

Fakeclaiming is rare here?

With katze, Marshal, Marl, probably sulit and probably Arete?

seriously?

To my knowledge: Yes.

My guess as to their reasoning is:

• From town’s perspective, lying would hurt town more than it benefits them.
• From scum’s perspective, lying would get them killed once town notices an inconsistency with ther Investigatives.

@TheLukundo

Chainsaw means defending your teammate by pushing your teammates’ pushers, right?

I forgot about its definition until you mention this, but yes that is the correct definition.

[Zone_Q11]

@Lemonfairy

because I was planning to comment post-by-post but there were too many posts and I couldn’t be bothered so I just made that part into notes. I also deleted a bunch of useless commentary so I was too tired by the time I got to the summary.

Lemlem. I asked for your take on EOD.
I did not ask you to recreate and comment on each and every post of EOD.
Had you actually quoted all posts of EOD, then I would’ve pulled a DotA #20 and ignored it entirely.

@Lemonfairy

uh… I think I forgot this game has like 21 (now 19) people. Either way, I would expect more of a push-back if a scum were in line of fire near EOD.

People CFD’ed to PKR. There is your push-back. Now I ask again: What makes it unlikely for Wiisp to flip scum?

@Lemonfairy

My take on min is… I want to scum-read them from their reactions but tbh my gut-read on them is TL because I read their frustration as genuine or something.

Which reactions and which frustrations?
NGL, min’s been UTR in each and every game because of reasons beyond my understanding.

@Lemonfairy

Because I’m listing hypotheticals and this was an analysis. Just saying Tilg’s vote here was abrupt and Wiisp’s alignment might give insight into Tilg’s position

…Lemlem. If we are speaking of hypotheticals, then you do realize that -while Tilg’s vote can be seen as scum defending scum!Wiisp- it could also be seen as town voting town (i.e. PKR), right?

…actually, I might need to check why Tilg voted PKR over anyone else before I can start being the Devil’s Advocate for no reason.
–man, I need to do a lot of stuff for this game that it’s actually ridiculous.

@Lemonfairy

I thought Blitz’s response was ok actually. Bolded part does look weird.

@Blitz

A couple of things about my votes. I had Kaif down as a town and PKR mostly town read too.I think had also previously mentioned that I had wiisp under null to scum lean at that time. So when the opportunity had presented itself to try and form a bandwagon on wiisp rather than the two I had written down as tonwies, I jumped on. I swapped back to PKR because there was a tie situation and Aelin had swapped too. So rather than me jumping on to what’s popular it was me just adjusting to the situation I guess

Which part of his “I admit being an opportunist” was okay to you?

He admitted “mostly TR’ing” PKR.
He admitted sheeping the “null to scumlean” Wiisp wagon.
He admitted “adjusting to the situation” of Aelin voting PKR by voting his “mostly townread” read.

[Zone_Q11]

@Blitz

basically I’ve been primarily sussed ony be lemon,tilg and zone. Give me a minute to grab their posts.
Everyone else has me as a null read for the most

@Blitz

Darling in the Franxx SFM - [19/21] | Day 2 - #4197 by Lemonfairy
Darling in the Franxx SFM - [19/21] | Day 2 - #4391 by Zone_Q11
Darling in the Franxx SFM - [19/21] | Day 2 - #4134 by Tilgarial

You did what you said you wanted to do. Cool.
Now what do I gain from this?

What was the point of grabbing everyone’s posts as to why you are scummy?
What is the point of openly declaring and/or flexing that everyone reads you as null?

I know for a fact that you started a new topic 5 minutes afterwards, but please don’t give me the excuse of “I forgot about it”.

[Zone_Q11]

@WindwardAway

Did you read my EoD1 analysis and my questioning of Blitz too? (I think the post you quoted was his answer to my question anyway, though, and the rest of it was what Lemon summarized too, so maybe you didn’t miss much if you didn’t read my post and I’m pretty sure everyone ignored it anyway lol.)

Windward, IDK about you, but when I say “I skim the thread” I meant that I actively only search for anything relating me. In other words: Yes, I ignored your wallposts.

I did not read your questioning on Blitz on D1.
I am probably not going to search that convo through your ISOs.
The post I quoted was Blitz answering Lemlem and not you.

@WindwardAway

The thing is, though, that in NUF 2 FM, Tilgarial came across as having very rational reads - possibly too rational, and their votes reflected this and got them widely townread. Here I wouldn’t really call their vote on PKR rational, and I’m not actually sure they’d vote him if they’re a wolf.

Let me borrow Lemlem’s argument for a moment and ask you: “What if Wiisp/Tilg are W/W?”
Wouldn’t it be “rational” for Tilg to defend Wiisp by rejuvinating PKR’s wagon?

@WindwardAway

Part of my problem is that I want Tilgarial to be town because it would be fun to solve together, but they’re kind of… not super solvey.

Stop living in fantasy and start accepting reality.
Fix that problem and evaluate objectively.

@WindwardAway

@Lemonfairy

I kind of like this post tbh

You reminded me I liked that specific post from Tilgarial as well. Meh, my reads are all over the place now.

The fact that a post is good doesn’t mean it can’t come from a scum. Don’t let 1 good thing make you forget about 99 bad things.

[Zone_Q11]

@Blitz

Also yeah it can seem that way but for swapping back to PKR at the core I just wanted to ensure a tie didn’t happen

And why exactly is a tie bad? The OP doesn’t even state whether a tie results in a [random hug in tie] or [no hug]. @osieorb18

There was 3 minutes left with a three way tie on Kaif, Wiisp, and PKR.
Aelin switched to PKR. Wiisp’s wagon lost a voter.
The only way a tie happens is if someone voted Kaif, or if someone from PKR’s wagon left.

Now, what makes you TR Kaif so much that you don’t even want any chances of him dying D1?