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Prophylaxis · May 12, 2021, 3:21pm

Still kinda want to hear from @smallworldz before EoD but honestly would be fine giving them like, a Night period to potentially catch up (if they aren’t NK’d).

This game thread is frickin huge and I can’t imagine subbing in to a game this size. I did that only once, on mafiascum, and I just did not read the middle 5000 posts in that game, lol.

Prophylaxis · May 12, 2021, 3:24pm

Back 2 work

Will be checking in on my phone intermittently but don’t expect anything from me in the next 8 hours or so. Should be around for EoD.

o/

Mercenary · May 12, 2021, 3:26pm

@smallworldz who did u replace again

Zone_Q11 · May 12, 2021, 3:26pm

Nikamara.

Zone_Q11 · May 12, 2021, 3:30pm

Out of 4 posts, this seems to be the most “useful” one, yet I don’t agree with it because all he’s saying is that he believes in 1 scum within Luks/Zone/Proph, and that he believes it is Luks with no clear explanation as to why.

…smallworldz’ hasn’t spoken in 22 hours.
His bedtime is in 2 hours.
Waiting for him is a waste of time.

Zone_Q11 · May 12, 2021, 3:36pm

Nika's case on Whysper

Nikamara:

Guillotina:

Now as far as legacy goes.

Town

Silviu
Helz
Lukundo
Wisdom
Wiisp

I honestly don’t remember who Wisdom replaced, but that is a confusing slot to place in top town and notice how Helz and Wiisp are right up there. This coupled with the fact that on Day 3 when Wind put Wisp and Helz in her scum leans, Guillotina immediately picked a huge fight with Wind and started to SR her and tear her case apart, mostly not saying why her reasoning was wrong, but instead saying that Wind wasn’t taking responsibility for her actions and blaming others instead. Which feel like attacking the person instead of the argument.

I lost the post because the page refreshed but Whysper claimed her code was 035. iirc Wiisp’s code was 033. That’s awfully close. maybe it means nothing.

Whysper:

Actually I was sort of SRing Aelin just from reading through her posts, but let me see what the claims say.

Doesn’t elaborate why Aelin’s post are scummy and wants her to claim X-x

Whysper:

I can’t help but feel something’s wrong with the Wiisp wagon. And the whole thunderdome. And I actually felt Wiisp was more townie than Aelin from my brief read through posts. So I’m going this way.

/vote Aelin
@osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

Whys said prior to this that she didn’t follow along but skimmed a few things. She says that something is wrong with the Wiisp wagon but doesn’t explain that beyond “Wiisp is more townie than Aelin” without elaborating as to why. One could say that Wiisp was a lost cause and no scum would go out of their way to defend here, but that same logic can be exploited by scum, espcially those who do not like to buss.

Whysper:

I still don’t have a good handle on everything. But of the posts I saw from Wiisp, they actually seemed to be trying to figure things out. Whereas so much of the stuff I’ve read from Aelin just feels fake. It feels like a whole lot of words to overwhelm the reader and make herself seem townie.

As for the wagon itself, I don’t have enough of an idea yet on who might be wolf on it. But I do think there are a bunch of people just hopping on because they don’t want to think about it. They just hear there’s a thunderdome/cc and figure that has to be resolved.

And it’s entirely possible that it’s v/v and Aelin just made a mistake. But if that’s the case, I’d rather keep around Wiisp since I believe they’d help out town more.

I disagree. I think Wiisp played as inactive scum. I don’t remember anything remotely solvy from them and I thought they were scum for defending Tilg, but in hindsight it was white knighting. the only think Wiisp repeatedly did was sr Aelin and then say “I dont have a handle on this game” or something to that effect. He also refused to interact with with people when he was questioned or asked to.

Also, Aelin as been anything but long winded and her post count is not exceptionally high. That’s a big misread there that I can’t see as substantiated by fact. She only had 2 long post iirc.

Whysper also didn’t speculate who might be wolves on Wiisp wagon if he were town, and I suspect there were indeed wolves on this wagon who could be bussing Wiisp for town cred and she didn’t want to help us figure that out whatsoever. this post also threw dissent onto a well reasoned wagon and a vote that didn’t pop out of nowhere, but one that was building since day 1.

the last part is the most incriminating part. She speculates that it could be v/v but instead of trying to mitigate that and change the flow of this thunderdome, is happy with one getting lynched and keeping wiisp for his supposed helpfulness to town.

Whysper:

Yeah, I don’t blame you for the vote since I was wrong on Wiisp and TR them. Probably looked like I was trying to save them last minute.

Anyway, I’m actually suppose to be in bed by now, but I’ll get back to this game tomorrow when I get a chance.

I actually like this post because I dont usually see scum admitting that they were wrong or identifying why they would seem scummy.

Whysper:

This makes me like Luk even more. I still have Helz as TL, also, and this interaction might just be T/T. But Luk makes a good point.

I like the thought process here as well, even though she was wrong on Helz; however, in retrospect it could be she was trying to save Helz and this aligns with this next post:

Whysper:

/vote Lemonfairy @osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

I’m going to park my vote here. I was reading the interactions with Lemon and do think there’s scum potential there.

Still interested in seeing if Luk discovers more with his push on Helz though.

before this, Whsyper never sussed Lemon. I feel like Lemon was an easy vote to latch onto especially after she was cased by Proph, and the choice of words is unsettling. “park my vote here” feels opportunistic to me. Also, she never explained what about Lemon’s interactions was scummy or even who she interacted with that made her SR Lemon. X-x The “interested” in Luk discovering more on Helz feels like a throw away. It looks like distancing. Especially along with this next post.

Whysper:

This is a good question to ask. I had been reading along with all the interactions between Helz, Luk, and Chloe and starting to feel they may have a point about Helz. But yeah, why would Helz push so much on Luk? All I can think is that it started as a small push and now they feel committed to it? Not sure.

I do think a big point now is that Helz feels they are being SR unfairly. It’s normal for town to react to this. But sometimes even wolves can feel upset for getting SR for what they think are wrong or unfair reasons.

Don’t think this one requires much analysis. I’ve made my point. And unlike Chloe who had a complete shift in logic from Erika when she joined, Whysper’s logic has been eerily consistent with Guilly’s which makes me feel like these reads weren’t genuine, but part of an agenda/consensus made by the scum team :x

Whysper:

I haven’t really worked out a whole scumteam yet. I’m actually not very good at doing that early on. I usually just look at individual scum reads. And right now I just have a SL on Lemonfairy and Helz. A few nulls on players like you and Wisdom, so I guess still within my PoE.

Throughout this game Whysper hasn’t given scum reads, but so far has just been really quick to town lean on scum X-x I dont think that is a coincidence. The post above is the most I can find by way of scum reads but it’s really just leans which aren’t explained. When Zone (iirc) asked her for her scum leans, she basically laughed at him with a post which was something like “pffffft” and said “I don’t need to do what you ask” which is fair. But what’s been asked is to scum hunt, something, you as town should have been doing already. it’s not really a challenge. I think the shift to SR Helz too was just a buss. I think she realized Helz was a lost cause and she couldn’t risk being associated.

Whysper:

Why are you being so pushy on telling people who they need to vote for? I’m not going to switch my vote just because you tell me I have to.

ah I found the post I was thinking about. It was different from what I remembered, but this is actually a bit more incriminating. She SR Helz, but doesn’t switch her vote there even though he’s supposed in her PoE. Of course Zone was being a bit rude in his approach imo.

In conclusion, there are too many scum associations around this slot for it to be pure coincidence imo. And it’s not just based on Why’s bad EoD actions, but also on Guillotina as well.

Vote: Whysper

@osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

Nika left that before she left, which got answered by Whysper, but since Nika left, Whysper’s answers are forever unanswered.

Whysper's answers

Whysper:

Nikamara:

I lost the post because the page refreshed but Whysper claimed her code was 035. iirc Wiisp’s code was 033. That’s awfully close. maybe it means nothing.

This is a really weird point to bring up. I mean, do you seriously think the hosts would give scum consecutive child code numbers or something??? Just the fact that you thought to mention this kind of sets the tone for the rest of your post as just grasping at straws or taking consensus thoughts to put together a read on me to try to get yourself out of the PoE.

Nikamara:

Whysper:

Actually I was sort of SRing Aelin just from reading through her posts, but let me see what the claims say.

Doesn’t elaborate why Aelin’s post are scummy and wants her to claim X-x

Basically just a tone/wording thing. I was doing a lot of skimming when first subbing into the game. There were tons of posts, and I didn’t really have time for looking closely at hardly anything. Still don’t have a ton of time, but trying my best to get a handle of the game. Luk helped a lot in this respect.

Also, I wasn’t asking for Aelin to claim. I was saying that I want to check up on claims so far and see what they say about the situation.

I’ll try to get to replying to some more of your post, but it’s long and I’m at a point in my day prone to interruptions. Also have stuff to get done and possibly other posts to reply to while people are in the thread.

Whysper:

Nikamara:

Whys said prior to this that she didn’t follow along but skimmed a few things. She says that something is wrong with the Wiisp wagon but doesn’t explain that beyond “Wiisp is more townie than Aelin” without elaborating as to why. One could say that Wiisp was a lost cause and no scum would go out of their way to defend here, but that same logic can be exploited by scum, espcially those who do not like to buss.

Again, pretty much just tone from skimming through the thread to catch up.

Nikamara:

I disagree. I think Wiisp played as inactive scum. I don’t remember anything remotely solvy from them and I thought they were scum for defending Tilg, but in hindsight it was white knighting. the only think Wiisp repeatedly did was sr Aelin and then say “I dont have a handle on this game” or something to that effect. He also refused to interact with with people when he was questioned or asked to.

Also, Aelin as been anything but long winded and her post count is not exceptionally high. That’s a big misread there that I can’t see as substantiated by fact. She only had 2 long post iirc.

I really didn’t look closely at the content. And I didn’t really have enough knowledge of the game yet to really understand any context anyway. Again, really just tone. I’ve seen Wiisp as town and just felt their solving was similar. And the posts I saw from Aelin just seemed fakish. I may have missed posts where there was good content and didn’t look closely at them.

Nikamara:

Whysper also didn’t speculate who might be wolves on Wiisp wagon if he were town, and I suspect there were indeed wolves on this wagon who could be bussing Wiisp for town cred and she didn’t want to help us figure that out whatsoever. this post also threw dissent onto a well reasoned wagon and a vote that didn’t pop out of nowhere, but one that was building since day 1.

I barely had reads on most people, and a lot just based on tone at that point. So trying to then speculate on wolves on the wagon was just beyond where I was at then.

Nikamara:

the last part is the most incriminating part. She speculates that it could be v/v but instead of trying to mitigate that and change the flow of this thunderdome, is happy with one getting lynched and keeping wiisp for his supposed helpfulness to town.

Again, I was hardly caught up with the game. Expecting me to somehow turn things around on the wagons that were pretty much ready to go and towards the EoD seems much. Also, it was a slight speculation with no case to really build on.

I really think you are grasping at trying to make me look scummy in areas that there’s little cause. There’s enough already from other things people have pointed out from this slot. No need to stretch these things. Unless the point is to just find some “independent thought” for your own read on me so that you can pull yourself out of the PoE?

Zone_Q11 · May 12, 2021, 3:41pm

Zone’s Unofficial Votecount

Accused	Voter	Number
Whysper	Prophylaxis, Aelin, Zone_Q11, Mercenary, Wisdom	5/7
Lemonfairy	TheLukundo, Whysper, Blitz	3/7
Not Voting	Chloe, Lemonfairy, min, smallworldz, WindwardAway	5

Let’s see who are not in Whysper’s wagon:

Luks; TRs Whysper
Whysper; can’t self-vote and wouldn’t anyways since it’d be gamethrowing
Biltz; wants Whysper dead, yet votes Lemlem who he wants dead at D6 for reasons unknown
Chloe; doesn’t want to hammer until late EOD
smallworldz; AFK

This leaves me with Lemonfairy/min/WindwardAway.
I am betting that these three “want to vote Whysper, but aren’t doing that because they want more content” even though there is no more content to squeeze from D5.

Zone_Q11 · May 12, 2021, 3:47pm

Okay, I might have jumped to conclusions as to why they are not voting, but at least I am certain that they all agree on a Whysper execution:

Whysper · May 12, 2021, 4:40pm

I was clearly just joking. And your quote removed the smiley, which was part of the indication. Besides, I never said anything about it being normal to do that. Just that it was understandable in your specific case. Haha

Whysper · May 12, 2021, 4:41pm

I wonder which among us two was busy with other things?

Whysper · May 12, 2021, 4:42pm

Oh wait, I thought you were referring to your recent post. I didn’t see that other post.

smallworldz · May 12, 2021, 4:47pm

technically y’all still have to wait on my opinions of things lol

Whysper · May 12, 2021, 4:48pm

I’m referring to your gameplay in general this game. You’ve been going on about not bothering with lots of posts because they don’t talk about you. And then going on and on with pressuring people to vote and not caring about reads. Stuff like that.

Whysper · May 12, 2021, 4:52pm

Why would you distance with a villager?

Zone_Q11 · May 12, 2021, 5:12pm

Considering I don’t have to host Infiltration and have the time to complain about the silence: It’s probably you.

No? Why would I have to wait for you?
I don’t care about your opinions; other people do.

Zone_Q11 · May 12, 2021, 5:14pm

–and tell me: How is this scummy at all?
Are all towns forbidden to not bother with posts that don’t mention them?
Are all towns forbidden to pressure others to PROGRESS the gamestate from its stagnance?
Are all towns FORCED to care about reads?

Aelin · May 12, 2021, 5:38pm

~~im not a mod, i cant read fillers~~

Aelin · May 12, 2021, 5:40pm

Regardless
brain go niarb and says “haha these are w/w wagons and whysper is trying to sacrifice herself” and logically speaking that’s not guaranteed

but i think its definitely an easily-possible world

Zone_Q11 · May 12, 2021, 5:52pm

Yes, yes. We get that everything will be fuzzy at D6.
–but that doesn’t change the sorry state of D5.

Folks, why are we still waiting? Nobody is even talking anymore.
The ONLY reason that Chloe can make up at this point is just to have smallworldz talk, but I bet that even he knows that he is just stalling. (In the first place, he should be asleep assuming he isn’t lying about his bedtime, so waiting for him is MORE wasted time.)

Chloe · May 12, 2021, 6:09pm

Bro why do you care

Stop trying to cut off discussion

I’m of the opinion that even if its boring, town should take advantage of all the time they have. You never know what might happen as the day continues