Darling in the Franxx SFM - Game Over | Mafia Win

[Zone_Q11]

@WindwardAway

Curious to know, why do you think that’s unexpected? I have a track record of paranoia reads, but I also turn on people when I’m a wolf, so it can go either way.

Because I am not you, nor did I know about your meta and your paranoia.

FMPOV, I shared my reads with you at N4 and realized that -barring few exceptions- our reads are basically the same, and I townread you because of that.

@WindwardAway

You’re not a PR either, unless you’re a neut.

…wait a minute. I have a way to clear myself and min from being neuts; we are both Children. Unless Neutral Children exist, it’s impossible for us to be neuts.

@WindwardAway

btw I can avoid posting these but then you’ll just have unexplained radio silence from my end lol
thought it was marginally better to give a heads-up so that people could still ask me questions before I leave the thread, instead.

IDK about you, but everyone (i.e. min and Lemlem) dipped around 10 hours ago and nobody ******* cares about that.

@WindwardAway

yeah but this day is getting extended for host reasons so I kind of think the night will end up extended and the day will still start as scheduled, if we hammer early. So basically makes no difference.

No. I am saying that if we had hammered earlier, SOD/EOD might have been reduced by 24 hours.

But instead we have filled those 24 hours by wasting our time confirming what was already set.

[Chloe]

In fact I’ll expand

Not only did Helz piggyback off of Wind’s vote at EoD2 to hop on the Merc wagon, which is something I find to be >rand to be non-partnered, as it’s Wolfing 101 to sheep your townreads so you don’t take flak when you flip a villager.

His response to her turnaround on him on d3 (which is absolutely unnecessary if shes a wolf. like… no. what does that accomplish to discredit and bus your partner who has a shit ton of thread control and loud voice??? no.) was to try to convince her hes a villager, as well as discredit those of us who were agreeing with her and egging her on to continue the tunnel. He was very clearly trying to shift her mindset and get her to suspect the people who were pushing her to keep pushing him.

On d4, Wind called out his BS claim, in terms of the actions he took, and how they made no sense considering how he had been playing throughout the game. If theres any time when Helz could have gotten off the stand and been saved, it was when he claimed. Instead she doubled down and stomped on him.

Not partnered.
Ayaya.

[WindwardAway]

@Zone_Q11

…wait a minute. I have a way to clear myself and min from being neuts; we are both Children. Unless Neutral Children exist, it’s impossible for us to be neuts.

I wouldn’t discount the concept. It would be way too easy to catch a 3p by their lack of ability to sync, imo.

PRs are a different story.

[Zone_Q11]

@WindwardAway

Depends on how the aggression is used tbh. If it’s used for emotional manipulation, it’s not great (and I personally say this because I simply ignore it, much to the dismay of all the townies I’ve ever tunnelled). If it’s aggression to provoke a response from someone and gauge their alignment, it’s a bit of a slimy way to RT, but I wouldn’t complain so much about it tbh. If aggression is used to test a reaction, it’s different from reacting with aggression.

IDK about optimal gameplay. I just love to see people scream and rage. It would be even better if both sides have a reasonable logic to back them up too. Seeing the frustration of someone who’s unable to convince one specific other party to see what they see is a bliss~

@Chloe

She didn’t suspect him just because Derps died, but because Zone didn’t have the same thoughts regarding Wind - and she called him out for not having a natural thought process.

Hold up. I don’t remember this part.
–I do remember her saying I don’t have a natural thought process, but I don’t recall her using said argument to scumread me.

IIRC the one who used that argument would be Whysper.

[WindwardAway]

@Zone_Q11

Hold up. I don’t remember this part.
–I do remember her saying I don’t have a natural thought process, but I don’t recall her using said argument to scumread me.

IIRC the one who used that argument would be Whysper.

I didn’t say you had an unnatural thought process; that was Chloe lol. I said that I thought it was weird that you weren’t pushing me for agreeing not to protect Derps; that’s all.

[Chloe]

oh im projecting then

lolchloe

[Zone_Q11]

@WindwardAway

PRs are a different story.

Bah, this (i.e. attempt to mechsolve) is going into WIFOM territory.

@WindwardAway

I wouldn’t discount the concept. It would be way too easy to catch a 3p by their lack of ability to sync, imo.

…geh. Fair enough.

[Zone_Q11]

Boo! Also, why are you spending your hours reinforcing your reads instead of trying to read your POE? You can use your BS excuse of “Zone’s ISO gives me a headache” all you want, but that doesn’t work on Lemonfairy, Blitz, and whoever else is in your POE.

[Zone_Q11]

Even @Aelin made a readlist of her scumteam in case Whysper flips either alignment.
(I also saw that I am in it no matter what Whysper flips as, but that’s a bruh moment for later.)

[Chloe]

I’m making my strongest reads as transparent as possible for other people to understand

genuinely too tired to go thru PoE and figure everyone out rn so im focusing on what i have the energy for, and what i find to be most important

pulling people out of PoE is something other people can do if i die
whatever

but people cant magically read my mind and figure out why i have the people in my core that i do, and i think its important to explain that for if/when im not here

[Zone_Q11]

@Chloe

I’m making my strongest reads as transparent as possible for other people to understand

but people cant magically read my mind and figure out why i have the people in my core that i do, and i think its important to explain that for if/when im not here

Humans are stupid. If they were out of the loop of the consensus/mood, they’ll ask for an update on the reads. Afterwards they’ll either ISO people on their own, or be lazy and ask for explanations all over again.

The point is: The reads on towncore don’t matter. Once they are formed, there is simply no doubt they are town until someone like me asks about some people within towncore (e.g. Proph) to someone within said towncore (e.g. Chloe).

@Chloe

genuinely too tired to go thru PoE and figure everyone out rn so im focusing on what i have the energy for, and what i find to be most important

pulling people out of PoE is something other people can do if i die
whatever

Those 20 hours and energy you wanted to spend… it’s all wasted. But you’re right: “Whatever. It’s not your problem.”

[Chloe]

@Chloe

I’d very much appreciate if people don’t hammer before EoD

I plan on going through all of my townreads one by one and explaining why I believe they’re clear (i’ve already done so for luk/proph/kinda wisdom)
I think theres a chance I die tonight so I want to be as clear as possible regarding those reads. I don’t want wolves to have any wiggle room to drag people out of a towncore i’m rather confident in being pure
but every time i start my brain tells me to procrastinate

and you had 19h to tell me you think its a waste of time

your negativity is really starting to drag me down and like
i dont mean this in an insulting way or anything its just
ruining my mood
im contributing what i can and im trying to win this game
i understand that you wanna have fun and you find this phase boring - and i agree that FM should be fun
but theres also a balance between fun and competition for me - and i find winning to be fun and satisfying and i’d like to do that
lemme do my thing please
if you have questions feel free to ask

---

be back soon
then i’ll go over wisdom
then i’ll look at some PoE slots and bounce some ideas

[Zone_Q11]

@Chloe

lemme do my thing please

…okay.
…don’t forget you have 6 hours left.

[Blitz]

Hey sorry for the absence, was travelling all day and just shutdown when I came home. I’ll be catching up now. Just gonna address @'s first

@Prophylaxis

I do want to hear from Blitz as to why they think Wisdom is mafia. Do they think that the Nightingale/Helz interactions come from buddies?

I’ll have to ISO Night again but the only particular interaction I can remember of the top of my head is them scumreading Helz for their RVS stage actions early on. As for that interaction, I don’t think it’s particularly alignment-indicative since it’s early game.

I have them placed as my third target in terms of hug priority(Whysper->Lem->Wis->Worldz) . As mentioned before part of my placement comes cause I find others more townie than them.
I am second-guessing their position after other player’s comments about them being townie, might move them above Nika after I ISO them again but for now, I’ll still keep them in that position.

@Zone_Q11

Join Wisdom and her wagon to kill me.

I have you pinned as town for now so no thanks

@Zone_Q11

Then why are you voting Lemlem instead of Whysper right now?

Whysper’s gonna get lynched anyway and I wasn’t sure about the vote count at that time

[Zone_Q11]

@Blitz

Whysper’s gonna get lynched anyway and I wasn’t sure about the vote count at that time

So you are never going to vote your top suspect?
Because they will always get lynched without your vote? Then what use is there for your vote?

[min]

Everyones vote doesnt have to have a use

[min]

At the same time*

[Zone_Q11]

…how foolish/ridiculous.
Let’s get it over with.

[min]

Can you not make a post without being insulting dude

[min]

Is whys at L-1 l-2