Okay so
Ami might be scum
Jane’s wall and tunnel on me vaguely feels like Eric’s wall on me in marblez
Kind of a “i’m looking for scum and I found it” thing.
I was told that I should have addressed his case on me that game and I find the mindset he had in that post
Ok, lets start with this: take some salt. I started reading his ISO hoping to find wolf, and (no surprise)I did. That could very possibly be meaning that I just saw what I wanted
To be kind of what jane had. Both of their cases were bad and did a poor job of actually making the case for me, and to be honest rereading that wallpost it feels like Jane never cared about actually solving my slot and instead trying to make me look wolfy
Like actually yeah it’s exactly that that post is devoid of any genuine attempt to solve my slot.
Jane's wallpost on me
not only is it’s logic not good but I feel like jane didn’t set out to solve my alignment and instead just tell everyone why i’m a 
wolf
Jane's wallpost on gorta
let’s ignore the fact that he went back on what he said he was going to do in the first sentence and later on justified a really weird townread on derps. In this he actually like… analyses each post. And he asks gorta a question, and pings him. This shows jane is capable of making wallposts that don’t just set a person up as whatever aligment they set out to read a person as, but they still didn’t do it with us.
It’s possible they did my wallpost just to look productive but also when they started wolfreading us was when we were a large wagon early and sometimes scum will tunnel a LHF or consensus wolf and when they start being townie, they’ll just ignore it and continue the tunnel.
I can point to a few games where I was in that mindset and so yeah there’s another wallpost BITCHES
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insane reference marsh, issue is the only 2 people who played D1 here apart from you are
in the same team
so less towncred :^)
otherwise i agree the push is weird but like compared to nap I have no pre existing read so I dont have much
I really liked quite a bit of arete’s posts and ami’s ISO is fine too
I mind-melded them enough where I think they are probably just town
I’ll outright say that the “gamer things” that I was looking for with arete were arete trying to fake mindmelds with me but to be honest I don’t actually think arete is doing that. I also think arete believes their reads so yah.
and Ami’s iso is fine so like I don’t think amislot is wolf here
whats your case on ami
PC blue les go
lemme commit towncase on Napoleon
Change in playstyle and voting RT
so this announcement is appearing as ‘scummy’ because it is performative
but…this really only becomes the conversation when people push on it - not because he kept pushing it, dunno how it would go if it wasnt pushed, but I dont think its bad at all. If you play differently enough, because how much people rely on meta, announcing it like this just makes sense
and I dont really care if you think this is a bad reason, but his thought process is the exact same thing I was thinking in FoL 28 and I was town
similarities
both trying to take a step back and watch thread
we do both become center of attention which was p much the exact opposite of the plan and SR’d
after enough of the plan failing and being unable to at least give it a shot we get annoyed, drop it, and defend ourselves fowardly
I believe the change in play style is town AI, maybe NAI at worst - I get sometimes its scummy to say ‘hey im going to play differently this game’ because it looks like your getting out of meta reads but you shouldnt be trying to find similarities between town games anyway, that just locks them into a playstyle, rather look for similarities between scumgames if you think theyll play the same every time. So, it shouldn’t have to be said, but it makes sense to say it at the start of the game
also, since meta is rather ‘tight’, saying your aiming for a specific playstyle shouldnt be interpreted as scummy - rather, look at the playstyle and how they go through with it, not the fact that it exists.
unfortunately, we dont get to see how he’d go through with it, but I do think the playstyle was good, saying that somewhat because ive tried it before but also trying to take a step back and making reads by yourself/then share results comes from a townier mindset
though it would probably make them harder to read, depending on how they handled it.
this is almost a laughable reason to SR someone
just because it wasnt the pinnacle of RTs doesnt mean its scummy
like, a bad RT is not a scummy one - this isnt like a rolefish. This is just a normal thing to see
[quote=“Marshal, post:109, topic:82543”]
It was a very early RT
and I dont think it was really that out there in either uselessness or performativity
and I dont even think this RT was new for him
so to break it down
its not wolfy, and the change wasnt bad
when it becomes literally the main point of conversation, yes, it gets talked about anyway
I imagine its significantly harder when your effectively forced into being the topposter when the goal was to be a lowposter till later in the day
you may think they’re dumb. I cant argue with opinions. But its not scummy, and its certainly alright for his third post
you do realize how dumb this sentence is, right
Defending against some other cases from marshal
[quote=“Marshal, post:156, topic:82543”]
ah yes
try to gamesolve on his third post
trying to gauge reactions early is fine - its a stupid reason to SR because ‘RT bad’
is it specifically him that you think its scummy when he does RTs
and I dont see how his intentions to take a step back and observe conflict?
also saying someone’s RT is bad and that someone wouldnt do bad RTs as town isnt a thought process I agree with
great
so the above is mostly ‘your read is bad’
because I think your read is bad
so lets have
Why my read is good
- Mindmelds with playstyle change/position
- towny defense
- Push on Arete
ive already went over the first point
im mainly refering to these posts, because this is where he’s actually defending himself
Summary
I liked the defenses because they didnt waddle around the accusation - they addressed the points and why they didnt work
and…they dont feel ‘caught’? I guess I could say? Like, their acknowledging the argument, saying why its bad, but still see the one or two posts that work. It doesnt feel squirmy, more analytic
Posts where Nappy pushes Arete
Their points about Arete not following through with their read, and then Arete just kind of says ‘Re-eval’ - I do see what Nappy means about Arete and I can follow his thought process and thats towny
Nappy sees something they dont like, they push it, and I can follow the thought process well enough to believe they believe in the read
so they get to be town
wallposts are not fun
also the amount of dropdowns makes it seem longer then it is
Like by itself it sounds good but
As town they care less?
They want to shit post more and just chill
They don’t usually bother making much in terms of reads and tone feels more like hell in a cell to me
is it bad i got like the opposite impression
I didnt think they were really doing alot and being a bit distant from thread until they SR’d Nappy…right after Nappy SR’d them
so i agree with the conclusion just not how you got there
though arete is better, where I probably wont keep pushing them
/unvote
forgot about this
My playstyle evolves unconsciously, just look at my game history here and you can tell that 2 of my games will never be the same 100%
I don’t know what to say, but I have been less depressed lately I guess because things have been better and that pours into my mood in these games
I just didn’t see much that I felt like I had to respond to and it was only 200 something posts
From skimming my gut says Arete is towny and so is Marshal. I should case Marshal eventually, but right now I plan on casing Ami/Artete and Nappy
Any particular people in my PoE that you want me to go into detail about? I also just finished hydraing a game with Marshal on another site, so I am pretty sure that Marshal is town here from how he has been playing
It’s not that my WiM is low, it’s that my style changes over time and I am usually a lowposter, but with the post limit I am trying to limit my posts
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tbh I think that could also just be a product of being hydra’d with someone and wanting to perform better.
That’s why I tried harder in d1 of marbles and part of why i’m being more serious here and throwing all my WiM into solving
I don’t think it’s compelling enough to make me look past the towniness of arete
I’ll look through the TBE wallpost eventually
fwiw I think ami had liked my posts against nappy before the case nappy made on arete/ami
I just woke up and honestly haven’t read this wallpost and barely caught up, but
I think this is kinda dumb but also, at this stage of the game, comes from town more often than not
Like, unless this is a W/W defense, wolf!TBE has no real reason to try to say “your read is bad, mine is better” in this way?
Also this is post 99/150 so @Marshal slow the heck down
Which probably means I should actually read that wallpost as to save posts for later
I don’t entirely agree with it but I think you believe what you’re saying
I think you’re putting a bit too much merit in "he’s saying things that were basically how I felt (as town) in FoL28, which means he must be town here
But I also think it’s a genuine thought because I could see myself thinking similarly
I asked Marshal about this post and he thought about the same thing
He thinks that the “why my read is good” part was bold and looked good for him but he didn’t think the post itself was super convincing
I’d recommend you read their posts complaining about how me/Marshal weren’t tunneling them
I think their logic made little sense but I also don’t see it coming from a wolf
But I do agree, fuck reading Arete, I think I found a secret to it though 