[FM] Mafia Academy 1 - Mafia Victory

[PoisonedSquid]

I’ll try to be more vocal since I’m the one with a higher posting limit, but the pressure isn’t good on the inside sweats

Like I said before, I’ll go check Disheveled’s post and try to think deeper

[Simon]

@Nerbins

Sorry for not wanting to get shot

your implying that to talk on it or not give a reason means wanting to get shot, which isnt the case. i think if it were true you wouldnt say anything on it, just not say your limit (and explain if asked). i think that calling it out is an attempt for you to seem extra towny.

simplifying it down to that is a logical fallacy, but i forget what its called

@SirDerpsAlot

Nebrins probably, it’s start of day one lmao, you haven’t made any real pushes so that’s just stupid to ask their

Simon is my first scum lean of the game

that is actually incorrect. ill explain it later as im not sure how finicky the saying-your-vote thing is atm, but its nobody who you’d guess. i have also pushed on pkr somewhat

@Vulgard

Nerbins’ initial post triggered my alarm.

mindmeld mode initiated
i will say that it can definitely be AI regardless of whether its mechanical or not. mechanical stuff can still be AI

[Marshal]

I think you are reaching on that one, not gonna lie.

What would you say if that post came from me? Would you still scumread the post? Because honestly, that would 100% be something i would say if I ended up noticing that. That comment is innocent and not AI, in my opinion. Don’t look for reads where there aren’t ones. it’s okay to have a lot of nullreads early.

@Vulgard

I can easily see scum doing it.

I can easily see anyone doing it. There is a slight chance there’s scum motivation behind that post, but you can say that about anything.

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@PoisonedSquid

Disheveled

Also lol.

[PoisonedSquid]

I didn’t get much sleep last night, okay? :^)

@disquieted

Hi. I’m a bit disquieted right now.

Jgg, I’m reading through your posts. What are you going for here? Are you saying Marshal is scummy or not? And why?

Jgoesgaming:

No, from my PoV it was either scum looking to appear towny, or town with a pointless, obvious reactiontest.

So walk me through this. You drag Marshal’s reaction test out in the open because… if it was town, you found it stupid? But it also could be mafia? Like what I’m getting here is that you’re not really scumreading Marshal here but you decided to make a large post anyways to call it out, why?

Also why are you asking about your own hydra partner…? Chemist is gonna come along eventually, you guys can get to know exactly who each other are in private, when there’s other players in this game that I don’t think you know?

Marshal, what exactly were you hoping to accomplish out of this reaction test? Like obviously you got some reads out of it, but your thought process was, “I’m gonna just drop that I accidentally passed my post restriction, and…?” Like what are some standard mafia/town reactions that you were expecting? Were you just not gonna say anything for the rest of the day? What’s the deal?

Okay, I’m sure Vul already spewed his thoughts on this and my mind right now, but I don’t really understand some of it when it comes to this one post. Yes, they asked a lot of questions, but how is that AI when it’s the first post? The one thing I don’t like about this post though is the question “Are you just going to keep your mouth shut for the rest of the day?” It’s a reaction test, of course he’s not going to keep his mouth shut. If he did keep his mouth shut, then that’d look like less of a reactiontest and be a waste of his posts left

[Marshal]

I can somewhat understand diquieted’s last paragraph.

Most of my reaction tests aren’t… great. And scum reaction tests are a thing(look at how i got derps to slip a claim in LOTRFM) so i can understand the concern.

however, taking a wider stance, this does seem a little hedgey from disq. Pushing on both me and jgoes could very well come from scum.

I’m null on them right now, as one can only glean so much from an opener.

[Marshal]

@SirDerpsAlot

I’m back what’d I miss why are we voting Vul and not dat

@Marshal

Dat was dayvigged, flipped town.

vul claimed it

@SirDerpsAlot

I see, Vul is town tho

@Marshal

why do you think so?

the way he did it was pretty scummy, not gonna lie.

@SirDerpsAlot

For now Let’s just say it’s a gut read

@Marshal

town jailkeeper if that helps.

dat claimed the equivelent of prince and vul still shot.

are you sure vul is town?

@SirDerpsAlot

Yeah I do still think he’s town.

@Marshal

very interesting.

this was a reactiontest. dat was modkilled scum

but very interesting

That whole interaction if you want to see a scum reactiontest.(also funnily enough the person who derps greenchecked ended up being mafia godfather but still)

also i am proud of this so…

[SirDerpsAlot]

I kinda had forgot about godfathers

[katze]

@Vulgard

Katze/Firekitten - It’s funny to say that about Firekitten’s slot but this is a 0-posting slot as of right now. FK must really hate his post restriction Basically I’m null on it for obvious reasons.

@Vulgard

Mentioning FK/katze out of nowhere when they are both 0 posters calls attention to them and is the type of thing people return to when the person who wrote it flips scum. In short, he might be trying to build a fake association if he gets lynched later. ‘Oh, Maximus was talking about FK/katze before anyone else, that’s pretty suspicious. Could they be buddies?’

I posted once! Twice if you include this!

I’ll probably make a full reads post once me and FK can have some discourse together, but I don’t believe they’re home atm. Which is probably why they’re quiet

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-mafia-academy-1-day-1-18-18/78994/52

everybody missed my post

[Marshal]

Jgoes i saw you typing get back here and stop lurking

[astand]

Sigh, I really don’t have time and energy for all of this.

N0 - MaximusPrime

@Shurian

Snag no u marshal
/vote Marshal

On a reread, I think not being aware of game mechanics might actually be lightly village indicative, since scum is normally super aware of things of mechanical nature and would be unlikely to bring attention to themselves like that in the very first post.

In their reads post, which I think is mediocre by itself, I found to be interesting their lack of knowledge of what hydra is, and I’d be actually surprised if none of hydras present in the game are scum?

The proportion of subtle derping to the amount of posts I think indicates Shurian to be likely just a villager here actually, and I don’t actually feel the purposeful intent in doing those things.

[Marshal]

also @Jane Please produce content we know you exist.

[astand]

Jgoesgaming, while I didn’t like his push on Marshal either, I think may be town for almost angleshooty reasons, actually.

@Jane

I asked about him because I thought we didn’t have a private chat, but it turns out those are Discord PM’s and not Forum PM’s. I still don’t know his Forum Name though, and he hasn’t answered in Discord yet.

Does he really fake this entire scenario as scum? As I’d assume all players would be in a one scum chat together.

Tbh I think I might be able to read Chemist better than Jgoes, as I have experience playing with him, and Chemist usually underwhelms very severely as scum, while being able to post unfrequent, but villagery insights from time to time as town.

[Marshal]

he might not be faking it, that is a NAI statement.

I think he has the capacity to fake that but you do bring up a good point.

However i am not gonna clear based on townslips, seeing how that has bitten many people before.

[astand]

Marshal’s test on Jgoes was decently villagery not by the fact of it existing, but because he actually showed the intention to dig deeper and look into his meta even after not being satisfied with Jgoes’ reaction to it.

[astand]

I’m not going to do that completely either, and I want to see stuff from Mist actually (aka Chemist), which reminds me that I can’t even find his I think only post in a convenient manner now.

[astand]

You also played with me several times, I’m Underking on MU.

Luxy's post

@Luxy

Geyde pointed out that astand’s ISO was entirely shading and an attempt to establish authority. None of their posts further the gamestate at all.

I thought that all of astand’s posts so far are extremely reactive and lack focus, and the fact that he only slank covered after everyone else suggests to me that he is scum wanting to stay under the radar, by not drawing attention to himself for his slank cover (‘others have done it as well why are you singling me out’ would be his defence).

The shadethrow on Kai for talking about his Post Restriction (he just ‘happened’ to interpret it as Power Role even though it wa obvious Kai was talk about his Post Limit), was particularly bad in my eyes.

Indeed, I was posting from phone while still lying on the bed, so I sure as hell didn’t have time or will to do anything significant at the time. I won’t even deny the claim that my posts were reactionary.
As for Kai’s post, It didn’t occur to me at the moment that PR could refer to post restrictions as well. I didn’t comprehend his post in full. You can blame me being still sleepy if you want.
I got frustrated because it looked to me like people were already starting to talk about their roles.
If I were scum and had an intent to shade Kai or anything, I’d have chosen a reason that would at least hold water on surface level, and implying that I “misinterpreted” the abbreviation of PR on purpose is just silly.

That said, disregarding the actual content Luxy posted (which I find mostly reasonable enough), there is one villagery indicator that they made in that post, which I have a reason not to explain for now.
So Luxy & Geyde are a mild village lean.

[astand]

This post from disquieted I don’t like actually, since for starters, I think it was done in a somewhat weird spot to make only 1 post and make it focused on only 1 aspect of what was happening in the thread, and then not doing anyting after that. Sure, I can understand restrictions, but I think several other people strived to widen their focus when faced with that instead.

Pretty interesting that they shade Jgoes for the reason I actually find the most townie in their posting.

And while this post seems well written and reasonable, it kinda gives me a vibe of a performance made, while simultaneously kinda shading Marshal and Jgoes at the same time. It wouldn’t be as bad if there was a followup and a conclusion to this.

[Jane]

I’ll do the meta-read on Marshal tomorrow, for now I’ll read other people.

Simon - Townlean: Mostly mechanical fluff, except for encouraging people to post more, despite the PR’s so we can make better reads.

@Simon

some of you may ask why im “wasting” a post on one response. its because we have to do this to progress the game. if we all wait until there are more posts to respond to then it will never get going. we have to use some posts to get a history going to make reads from.
this would normally come from start of game fluff, where people would normally get semi-reads, to then be read, and those read, to eventually make proper reads.
since this not going to naturally happen with this game due to the post limits, we must make an effort to intentionally generate this kind of history.

I’d prefer if he didn’t try to solve this mechanically, or at least give some reads, since I’m not going to clear anyone based on one post.

@Mercenary

Also by how Astand posts I believe they either have a very high post restriction or don’t know they got one

This seems weird (that doesn’t necessarily mean scummy, btw). If someone wasn’t using their posts sparingly, I would assume they either have a high PR or none at all, not they they don’t know they have one.

@Nerbins

I skimmed my rolecard earlier and didn’t initially notice my post limit and assumed my class was normal.

I’m not currently scumreading either of them, but if one of them flips scum later in the game, this might be worth coming back on.

@SirDerpsAlot

@Simon

im not going to give it out if i have to, no, but for you to specifically touch on it feels sus.

@SirDerpsAlot

I really don’t like this, also how do you keep who you’re voting a secret?? You just can’t push on your vote at that point lmao

really? who do you think im voting right now?

Nebrins probably, it’s start of day one lmao, you haven’t made any real pushes so that’s just stupid to ask their

Simon is my first scum lean of the game

Why, because he asked you who think he’s voting? That seems like a weird reason.

Derps is currently a scumlean for me.

I’ll do the rest tomorrow, since I don’t have a lot of time today, and there will probably be more content by then.

Sidenote: why are assuming the anti-claim mechanic is a claimvig? It wasn’t in LT, why would it be a claimvig here?

[PoisonedSquid]

Does Simon focus more on mechanics as Town?
Does he tend to stray away from mechanics as Scum?

Mechanics talk isn’t really a townie thing unless certain things say otherwise, but can you explain your read on him a bit more?

[astand]

I was writing about katze, but tbh I think I’d started wanting to not like his post. I will just wait for the promised discourse with FK.

Mercenary seems pretty different from what little of her scum game I’ve seen at least, and I don’t get the vibe that she acts upon an agenda in this game. What impression I’ve got of them as a scum player is that they kinda throw shade everywhere they can when they can for convoluted reasons, and I don’t see it here.