[FM] Short Fuse IV - Game Over - Town wins

Solic · August 31, 2019, 8:34pm

DatBird:

Well choose town det in your maf chat and hope you get me

This post is antagonizing him especially with ur later comments on saying all he did was pick fights

Marshal:

Yes. Of course I am pocketing you by arguing and sarcasm

Same with this one

Marshal:

Solic’s picking a fight where a fight doesn’t need to happen. There were opportunities to resolve this that weren’t taken

You saying this isnt stopping a fight but legit shading him, and the two posts above show that u werent helping in the situation at all

Marshal:

You or wazza atm because I want the det of 2 people scumreading me

So anyone scumreading is scummy got it

Marshal:

Less resolving, but more that you are continuing something that can and should have ended

And u arent

Marshal:

A lot of this is content that shows I give answer, solic picks fight.

And the pocketing comment furthers this argument, because now any attempt to say “hey maybe sol is town” is now “pocketing”

A lot of my post here shows that u were antagonizing also but see urself on moral high ground in the situation

Well do u think Sol is town or do u not. I dont think its pocketing I just want an answer

Birdo, why do you think I’m town by the way?

DatBird · August 31, 2019, 8:34pm

this makes him seem pretty trigger happy, and willing to blow people up if he gets one ok to do so, not liking him more. The rest of the new stuff is like asking how to tell the difference TvT and TvS, and its like not really AI

DatBird · August 31, 2019, 8:35pm

Tone and Pressure mainly, reminds me heavily of your NFOL game

Alice · August 31, 2019, 8:36pm

So far here’s pretty much what I have.

Don’t ever blow Marshall or Wazza up this match as I’m quite sure they’re town by now. Wazza’s entire tunneling shit on Marshall has the level of conviction that never comes from scum and Marshall’s entire reaction of not giving a shit about dying and then asking for us to blow Wazza after he flips almost always comes from town over scum.
Hippo shouldn’t really be blown up until late-game, really. I liked his tone so far, but I still want more content from them.
Arete nor Dat should never be allowed to endgame here. Arete’s entire ISO of Derp felt like weak distancing and he never really followed up the question on why Derp had Blue as his top townread. Dat’s ISO on Arete had the same feeling.
Kind of uneasy on Derp as his top townread and top scumread felt way too braindead. Blue hasn’t really posted much and to want Jake, who’s pretty much a PL at this point anyway, dead doesn’t really seem much. I’d just pressure the everliving shit out of him, tbh.
Solic’s more determined and focused now and I don’t see the same level of flightiness from him as in RRM or RM3 as he’s actually sticking to his scumreads unlike those games. Would actually put him as a townlean here and not somebody to be killed until endgame. Also Arete W means Solic V as I don’t think his focus on them is ever distancing.
Jake is… would probs want more, again. His defeatism looks kind of towny, tbfh.

Marshal · August 31, 2019, 8:37pm

Why shouldn’t I be detonated? A comprehensive list of 5 points. for @Wazza

Point 1

No det>town det

That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved - Benjamin franklin.

While, of course, I would rather 1 town be mysdetted than 100 scum go free, this type of philosophy is important when examining the consequences of a detonator. If no one is detonated today, I find that more successful than a town mysdetted. Right now, the ideal order is
Scum detted>none detted>Town detted.
In this case, you can chose the right option, the middle one. The middle option aviods tragedy and might be the best one to use, no matter my alignment. Playing it safe is best here until we have more info. this setup is honeslty scumsided. and towndetting me d1 would not help

Point 2

Losing more than just a townie

If I am detonated, not only will you lose my vote and detonate power, but my voice and ability to scumread. Now, I understand my voice is not appreciated right now, and current playstyle irrirating, but i think i have and can give very good points and reads. I am more adjusted to d1 being shitpost day, but promise to change. I have brought up some good points(solic trapping me, and wanting conflict) and while you may not agree. I am the fresh voice that stops this game from being a tunnel of a few players and mafia controlled.

Point 3

Dying moments.

Alice brings up a good point here, and while you may think it is scummy to bring up, it should not be ignored. I truly thought I was going to die. you were leading into a det. If I were maf, I would have suicide bombed by now. I am aware of this play and have mentioned it before. Saying I am scum is implying that i chose maf det and blue is my scumpartner, which is an even bigger stretch than before.

Point 4

begging for forgiveness

Look. I hate doing this. I hate saying sorry when I dont think I am really in the wrong. I used memes, sarcasm, and agression to counter statements and, you know, have fun. I do not think I was wrong for doing so, but it was over the top and I see how it irritated others. And I am sorry that has put me in a position that makes me look scummy. To be fair, As of now, I probably havent slept for 30 or so hours and the tiredness makes me irritable. please forgive.

Point 5

Risk vs. Reward.

Lets look at what the risk is, vs. the reward. What you risk is everything I have given in the details above, and your own personal image. I think you are town, I don’t want you lynched. but a det on someone who flips town will look scummy, and sulit or whoever holds your det would have every right to blow your brains out. At that point, it’s 2 town lost + whoever else is detted/lynched/killed. The reward is killing a scum. I say the risk is bigger than the reward, and that my likelihood of me being scum + the reward weighs less than the likeliood of me being town/the risk.

Think wisely, Long, hard, and slowly. ~~thats what she said~~. Also, I am gonna keep my memes and jokes. I will try to stay serious, but if i can’t joke around some, I will leave this game because i wouldn’t be having fun.

Alice · August 31, 2019, 8:38pm

Would put my reads rn at

Town

Wazza
Marshall

Solic
Hippo
Kyo
Jake

Blue
Sulit

Derp
Dat
Arete

Scum

Alice · August 31, 2019, 8:40pm

In retrospect I think I’d swap Kyo/Hippo.

Kyo’s entire sudden and decisive votes look more like his game in EFoL rather than RRM and he looks to be more focused and less trying to show off by ISO’ing people. Skepticism of me auto-reading him as town also looks like a more villagery mindset. Wouldn’t explode him as well.

KyoDaz · August 31, 2019, 8:42pm

I would hope people wouldn’t like me exploded.
The triggerfinger on Alice’s detonator can be held for now.
Someone else will need to be blown up though.

Solic · August 31, 2019, 8:43pm

Why is this such a huge stretch when Blue can be scum anyday?

Marshal · August 31, 2019, 8:44pm

Its a pretty big stretch to say we are both scum.

The likelihood of us both being scum is less than the likelyhood of me beng town

Solic · August 31, 2019, 8:45pm

So what is your read on Blue? Because this whole probability mumbo jumbo doesn’t hold up in mafia.

KyoDaz · August 31, 2019, 8:46pm

Now now now if Blue is to die it must be a quick detonation or I might be detonated

Marshal · August 31, 2019, 8:46pm

Null. They have 3 posts. I want more.

Solic · August 31, 2019, 8:48pm

Wait, so this wasn’t applied to me right Alice? I want more of an explanation on your Hippo read, because you’re precisely holding their detonator.

Alice · August 31, 2019, 8:48pm

Aside from the fact that DatBird’s ISO has been meh-ish, here are some notes I’ve had on him.

Kind of solidifies my read on Arete/Dat being potentially W/W considering that both have shit ISOs and Dat is holding Arete’s detonater.

Would think Dat W clears Jake.

Alice · August 31, 2019, 8:49pm

It’s a person-by-person read on him that Ici told me a while ago.

Hippo’s usually more sarcastic as town then scum and I really noticed this when comparing his ISOs in RM3 and Zepphriphon. Him opening up by mocking you like that felt like it’s something he’d do as town over scum. Would not kill him today.