at that point it would be a new game
quick question, are we currently arguing about ToL or FoL right now
Heās saying that itās called an NK, Neutral Killer, therefore itās unimportant.
@orangeandblack5 If I had 2 Neutral classes that had to kill the other first to win, would you not expect both of them to have an equal average winrate?
because my opinion is different depending on the answer
also this is the FoL feedback thread
Yes.
Like
From a game design perspective
The NK exists because without the extra KP a town this buff would sweep and the devs wanted to give everyone flashy roles
The NK exists over extra scum KP somewhat because itās both not directly traceable through player actions like a teammate is, but mostly because itās flashy and interesting and keeps gameplay more varied
Itās a tool, not a team
Both?
Same principles apply
So then why should the NK win at all in that case?
I would but thatās in no way directly applicable to this conversation
oranges argument argument is that FoL is based off of ToL and therefore balanced like it
aka Not fully balanced
orange is saying FoL shouldnāt change so much that it diverts from ToL
jake is saying the same but that ToL could theoretically change to 33/33/33 winrates
which i disagree with
Because with good play it should always be possible to win
Otherwise youāve thrown players into a role that will always make them want to quit
If we had 3 neutrals who had to see the other 2 perish, would you expect 33% around the board?
Yeah probably
The thing is thatās not a game of Mafia
And it doesnāt scale up to the playercount of Mafia and suddenly become Mafia
Replace the NK with Unseen 2.
Should the BD win even more because there are 2 scumfacs, or no?
If itās multiball your town winrate will drop slightly and your first scum faction winrate will drop by a fair amount
Something like 45/27.5/27.5
If the NK is replaced with a 1-person Unseen 2 that canāt convert then that faction should probably win less often, yes
Arete, why should the NK be forced to lose more than 2/3rds of the games that it plays? Why should the BD win more than 50% of them?
Again
Thatās not how average winrates work