FoL Feedback Thread

at that point it would be a new game

quick question, are we currently arguing about ToL or FoL right now

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Heā€™s saying that itā€™s called an NK, Neutral Killer, therefore itā€™s unimportant.

@orangeandblack5 If I had 2 Neutral classes that had to kill the other first to win, would you not expect both of them to have an equal average winrate?

because my opinion is different depending on the answer

also this is the FoL feedback thread

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Yes.

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From a game design perspective

The NK exists because without the extra KP a town this buff would sweep and the devs wanted to give everyone flashy roles

The NK exists over extra scum KP somewhat because itā€™s both not directly traceable through player actions like a teammate is, but mostly because itā€™s flashy and interesting and keeps gameplay more varied

Itā€™s a tool, not a team

Both?

Same principles apply

So then why should the NK win at all in that case?

I would but thatā€™s in no way directly applicable to this conversation

oranges argument argument is that FoL is based off of ToL and therefore balanced like it

aka Not fully balanced

orange is saying FoL shouldnā€™t change so much that it diverts from ToL

jake is saying the same but that ToL could theoretically change to 33/33/33 winrates

which i disagree with

Because with good play it should always be possible to win

Otherwise youā€™ve thrown players into a role that will always make them want to quit

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If we had 3 neutrals who had to see the other 2 perish, would you expect 33% around the board?

Yeah probably

The thing is thatā€™s not a game of Mafia

And it doesnā€™t scale up to the playercount of Mafia and suddenly become Mafia

Replace the NK with Unseen 2.

Should the BD win even more because there are 2 scumfacs, or no?

If itā€™s multiball your town winrate will drop slightly and your first scum faction winrate will drop by a fair amount

Something like 45/27.5/27.5

If the NK is replaced with a 1-person Unseen 2 that canā€™t convert then that faction should probably win less often, yes

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Arete, why should the NK be forced to lose more than 2/3rds of the games that it plays? Why should the BD win more than 50% of them?

Again

Thatā€™s not how average winrates work

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