Possessed … has yet to make a single read this game (despite being a player who I know is capable of doing so)
the sum total of his contribution is basically bringing up the change in CRich’s writing style:
complaining about being volume read:
and complaining about kat’s post saying he’s likely MM if it’s an Unseen game (note that he doesn’t actually make a conclusion on kat’s alignment of any form)
[etc.]
this is a stronger scumlean for me
both because of the volume tells thing (I acknowledge that he says he has real life circumstances, but when you have someone who strategically posts less as scum and has acknowledged that they post less as scum, who is posting less than normal, that is Kind Of Notable) and because of the fact that they literally have not done anything to advance the gamestate – they shade kat but never make a read on him, they bring up CRich’s possible tonal shift but never use that to read him, etc.
I get that Possessed does the ‘doing scummy things to not get converted’ thing sometimes but … this does not seem to be what he’s doing? like, he brought that up in e.g. Randomizer, but in Randomizer he was in fact doing things whatsover
When arete is villager, it’s not difficult to see. I can look at a lot of games and go "the things arete is saying is from a villager™. Here i’m not seeing them.
Even when i’m being pushed I can look for those vibes and honestly it’s incredibly lacking. Arete’s vibe is much more malicious than the town!arete I feel like i’m used to. I feel like arete is in a “shoot first, ask questions later” mindset, and honestly do not think Arete actually wishes to interact with my slot or make much of a genuine attempt to solve it.
That’s the fairly clear difference between arete wolfgames and arete towngames
arete wolfgames will be arete shoving out reads and not trying to come to them. really kind of just an aggressive force who knows how to and can push agenda
Arete towngames have a clear cut and logical thought process and for every read you can see exactly how and why arete made a read.
Arete wolfgames are also a lot more performative than village games in a way where arete will try to go about solving or making a read in a grandiose way.
Right now arete feels a looot more like the first one. I can’t understand their thought process a lot of the time and even when I do it doesn’t seem to come from a place of solving
Like for example a village arete here would almost always ask me why on my reads instead of posting this
and only did so when I prompted them to
Early on arete has thrown out a lot of reads
but not really done much to try to solve slots. Not asking the questions i’d expect from arete.
There’s some questions there (that aren’t rhetorical or do nothing for gamestate)
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These 2 are the only ones I can really see as solving questions
but one is basically asking to grab a quote and the other is pointing out a Typo so it’s nothing wolf!arete can’t do.
Tl;Dr:
Arete is putting forth a lot of reads and strong opinions but not showing much of an effort at all to actually solve the game or come to / flesh out those opinions, which is much more indicative of wolf!arete.
If arete is a villager i’ll know by EoD and y’all will too
Merc had an early post that pinged me (and, like, everyone else in thread) for looking super performative
however, I think her later posts improved a lot
this post:
seemed like a fairly villagery read in that she’s displaying a strong depth of thought by looking beyond “basic” tells into trying to substantially analyze what Alice (I think?) is doing and looking at more in-depth things like how people in the thread are reacting to Alice’s read, and how exactly Alice is reading people, both of which display a greater depth of thought than Merc typically has as wolf
additionally I thought this string of posts were really villagery:
specifically, I think the way she starts off thinking Blizer is scum based on his push on Blue, then stops halfway through, reevaluates, and starts looking at Blue instead displays a lack of agenda
if Merc were scum here I would expect her to be going into her read on Blizer/Blue knowing what conclusion she wanted to draw, rather than changing what angle she was pushing halfway through the post (based on how the post was written it can’t be a ‘she switched tacks because she got resistance’ scenario since … she switched partway through a post), so the fact that she clearly came out in a very different way than she started makes me think she’s a villager
Frost is actually just a guaranteed wolf if they don’t post by EoD
in several months of playing with them I have not been able to find a more reliable tell than ‘if Frost doesn’t post on D1 they’re a wolf, if they do, even if their posts feel like they were written by a space alien, they’re probably a villager’
like this seriously borders on a trust-tell with how consistently not extant they are as a wolf on D1
this isn’t really relevant to your actual case but I find this sentence funny in light of the fact that made you randomly OMGUS me reevaluate your read for totally legitimate, definitely-not-OMGUS reasons was me asking you a question about one of your reads
arete i’ve always had this read
I’ve literally said it and can give posts where i’ve said the things there
I just put it forward in a wallpost to end the notion that it was OMGUS
I do actually think I’m asking fewer questions than I do normally, as you pointed out
but like … the main reasons for that are (a) that I’m trying to hyperpost less, so I’m trying to make sure that my questions are actually useful, (b) I spent several hours semi-out of the thread and couldn’t interact in real time with people
also … I ask questions as a wolf, like, to the point that ‘lots of useless questions that don’t go anywhere’ is actively a scumtell for me
yes but it still isn’t one that I think was genuinely made in an attempt to solve
instead of going the route of “what are some of the reasons for this read” you decided to throw out that shade
and my original response treated that post as “marshal is doing omgus marshal bad” and my inevitably wallpost was out of annoyance of being shaded, not becuase I felt compelled to answer your questions.
I dont think in required to do that since im not calling it OMGUS
In all sincerity, i dont believe that such a thing is possible - how will you be able to tell the differnce between scumminess and mood swings?
My second point is that people are good enough. Both you and arete are (probably) good enough players to be able to emulate towny behavior as any alignment - as such, “this player is acting differently” frankly doesnt make a comprlling scumtell.
This kinda feels like fluffposting, so ill stop. Baseline opinion: i get that you’re suspicious of arete, but im not sold
