[FoL] Forum of Lies 28 - ENDGAME - BD + Crus win (9/18)

[katze]

@CRichard564

@katze

@CRichard564

Katze is memeing as usual, which seems to be NAI for now. I find that once she stops memeing and gets serious, that means she is most likely town.

I’m… memeing quite a bit less than usual this game?

Like, a majority of my posts haven’t been memes

You seem to be more serious and less jokey this game. It’s almost as though you’re not in the mood to make memes this game.

But you just said I was memeing as usual and followed that up with “when I’m serious” which implies you don’t think I’m being serious this game

aaaa

[an_gorta_pratai]

I should have spoilered that, but it is what it is now. I also think that since I didn’t have to wade through 3k posts that it’s a good thing

[Alice]

Any solid conclusions aorn?

[CRichard564]

In ToS 2 you kept up with the meme claims for quite a while. This game not so much.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I actually do, but give me a second to come up with a post. Well, not solid conclusions, but reads non the less.

[Alice]

@TheBlueElixir
@CRichard564

Out of curiosity, how do you two plan on reading Feathering and the other new player?

[katze]

@CRichard564

Katze is memeing as usual, which seems to be NAI for now. I find that once she stops memeing and gets serious, that means she is most likely town.

But this implies you think I’m memeing this game!

And now you’re saying I’m not!

[CRichard564]

@Feathering

Okay, my class makes it pretty hard for me to do much in general.

@Feathering

I was on about the reading part of this game, not my abilities.

@Feathering

Yes, I have FM Experience.

@Feathering

Do we even have a D1 Lynch?

This slot is probably not group scum. At worst he is probably a lost wolf as his posts don’t show signs of being coached on how to write to not stand out for the wrong reasons.

[TheBlueElixir]

note that I didnt read any of these people’s ISOs, just the recent bit with the whole argument

and I read that argument a few times now

Arete

Arete’s reads is doing gymnastics

@Arete

@Marshal

feels kiiiiinda powerwoofy

how much of this is just that she’s scumreading you

@Arete

@Marshal

arete might not even be a villager too which sux

…is this just because I don’t agree with you

because it kind of feels like this is just because I don’t agree with you (and have implied that you might be a wolf)

I take these posts as SLing Marshal

@Arete

so like

Marshal feels Alone™ In™ The™ Thread™

which is >rand villagery (though obviously NK/neuts exist)

flips to TL?

@Arete

I think my actual thought here is that he’s massively overreacting to the push

I cant tell which way this is going, but I think TL?

@Arete

okay this post feels actually villagery

yep, TL

@Marshal

what do you get of my alignment from this

@Arete

it seems >rand wolfy

flips back to SL

@Arete

for threadstate reasons I think this argument is likely V/V*/V*

flips back to TL

@Arete

okay this part is really ??? because like

my logic is pretty obvious???

null now? I think

Even in wolf games ive read/been in Arete is usually isn’t like this

not 100 on what to take this like, seeing as it doesnt fit what id think of W!Arete or V!Arete, but its wolfy ignoring meta so ima just take it as wolfy. Could also be because there were a few misunderstandings and such that made really explaining opinions hard. Arete made a few paragraphs but the read never stayed still so…could you try to organize exactly what you mean?

note after reading it while focusing on Marshal: I think the slot becomes a bit better. Still convoluted, but Marshal’s arguments do have their thorns and roses, so Arete’s flip flopping could look better. Still want to know here mindset through every change.

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Marshal

Marshal’s perspective seems towny when I first read through it

@Marshal

you are still a wolf (or non-bd at least)

@Marshal

Very similar to the scorned vines ngl

feels kiiiiinda powerwoofy

This…doesn’t make sense? I don’t think kat has or did have a lot of thread control? Got support against you, but isn’t really strong-arming the thread as you later put it

@Marshal

arete might not even be a villager too which sux

another OMGUS read(like kat) where you just kinda SR your SRer

@Marshal

but right now we aren’t on the same wavelength and some of their posts give me fakeish vibes

I can’t predict exactly what arete is going to say which is unusual when arete is a villager (and I could early game)

so once Arete SRed you, you couldn’t understand her thought process anymore

if it wasn’t for timing, id be prone to agree with you, because I don’t really understand it earlier.

@Marshal

nah arete might not have randed villager

only like 2 mindmelds that aren’t outside of wolfarete range

this post is long so I didnt quote the whole thing but I am responding to the whole thing

The two posts that you say that fit under ‘towny arete’ I don’t think are very towny. I haven’t actually looked at Arete’s ISO but

@Marshal

@Arete

why were you answering for TBE, rather than letting him answer for himself?

this I liked because I had this thought too and arete calling it out is similar wavelengths

Answering for someone else is a habit I have - its not AI. I will assume its the same case with Blizer, because…answering for someone else is not usually AI.

@Marshal

@Arete

…I’m definitely being tinfoily here, but how did you know that katze was NK in SFoL 61.5?

I liked this

but actually didn’t like the “im being tinfoily here”

how do you like that post. ‘how did you know kat was NK’ is not a way to get anything AI? The only off chance is that kat said something in scumchat with Blizer in which he can still say that he read the game. It doesn’t feel like you could actually get anything from that but waaht ever

@Marshal

you’ve pushed that narrative and it seems people are extra willing to agree

it was a neut read and it was incredibly early on, which…was odd. People will jump on it.

Do think that this post was a towny mindset

@Marshal

when arete is a villager, I can understand their thought process and often times will find myself looking at posts and going “yeah. I agree with that. That makes sense and is logical.”

I don’t see it here

wolf!arete replaces logic with agenda

you don’t see logic

do you see that agenda?

Personally, while I don’t see logic, I don’t see agenda. Rather, posts just seem convoluted, though I am kinda understanding Arete’s read the more I re-read this

@Marshal

what do you get of my alignment from this

@Arete

it seems >rand wolfy

@Marshal

see dummy
this is why u might be wolf

This is exactly why I find it hard to just accept V!Marshal

the OMGUS-ness-ness

@Marshal

you give information (somewhat cherrypicked but w/e) but your analysis is where things fall

hell the fact that you just gave information that would look bad normally and no conclusion makes me feel like you are leading others to try to come to the conclusion that i’m wolf themselves

about

@Arete

like in JoJo when you got really annoyed at me for not townreading you (this isn’t a meta-read but), like, as wolf you really really want thread control and right now you’re being cut off from the possibility of thread control

but like

you kind of did the same thing in Evolution

oh.

Im actually seeing Marshal’s point

IIoA just like this post is the entire post. Looking back rather then relating it.

however IIoA isn’t always wolfy from experience and using information can be how you reach a conclusion. That’s how I usually did it, though admittedly its not very popular.

There also is a conclusion. Its at the start.

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@Arete

@Arete

it seems >rand wolfy
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confused Arete noises

you only did it after I prompted you to

Still did do it after you prompted. Still is a conclusion.

@Marshal

RELEVANT TO MY ALIGNMENT nerd

this post(the whole thing) I want to say is a towny perspective but…its too self-aware. It acknowledges what he usually does and is replicating it. Don’t like it, though I could see a town writing it.

@Marshal

I cannot follow your logic this game

used to agree

thought reading this over I can kinda see where Arete is coming from? I think I have an idea of how their reads is working but I want to see how they explain it.

So as I said the first time I read this I thought Marshal was V from it but after reading it again its more eh. I don’t like it as much reading through it again. OMGUS, some instances that could be labeled as agenda and the only thing really going for em is that some posts seem to come from a towny mindset. Gonna say this is wolfy overall.

The OMGUS reads do make some sense though, so id like to see some take on people who aren’t pressuring the slot and see if it still matches.

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Katze

The RT was stupid

im going to specifically look at the RT over…other posts because it was all just around it

so yeah this will be shorter

@katze

@katze

He came to a strange conclusion that, because he cannot read me , that I must be a neutral ; and when we talked about it he just… left. “Let me know when the RT is over”. I was going to call him out for his lack of confidence, but I don’t actually think that that’s AI of him at this point.

Instead of actually trying to figure out what the fuck I’m doing, he gives up and leaves.

He claims that he has a way of vibereading me consistently but when it “fails”, he gives up?

I do confess that this read was completely fake.

No, there’s no “softs” indicating this. And no, I don’t give a damn if that bothers you, Marshal.

I don’t now what softs you were referencing but I am prone to agree with the read you call completely fake

I also don’t think that part is particularly AI

@katze

@katze

Okay, let me try this again.

Marshal is probably town because they have little to gain to attempt to strongarm a mislynch on me on D1, since there’s no D1 lynch.

This read was also mostly fake, although my actual thoughts were more aligned with this post.

I have no clue what you mean by this

but the quoted post is a very stupid reason to clear someone

@katze

I… was kind of expecting people to call me out on doing a 180 on my read on him with little explanation?

NGL I was paying more attention to arete/marshal I still wouldntve noticed it

@katze

I can’t tell if my fake read was too convincing or if there’s something else going on?

I agreed with the first one, but might I ask what exactly you got from it?

I kinda want to TR kat for this but Im not srue I can say its out of scum range

eh heck it trying to find ulterior motives in reads is towny you get a TL

[TheBlueElixir]

put these in summaries

[TheBlueElixir]

luck

hopefully the same way I could read others

TMI, RTs, what they say/do

something like that

[Alice]

@Ami

tbe/feather w

ez game ez life

Not liking Ami so far. Tonally she feels way too serious and sudden.

[Marshal]

@TheBlueElixir

another OMGUS read(like kat) where you just kinda SR your SRer

i scumread kat first

and I documented why my arete read changed

yes the arete read changed but I left thread and found arete had dropped

not because arete was scumreading me but because there was new evidence that made me doubt arete’s alignment

[Arete]

@Alice

Thinking so far CRich/Seth/TBE are my strongest TRs rn with Arete/Katze/Ami as leans.

Jane/Merc both look relatively wolfy so far.

@Alice

@Ami

tbe/feather w

ez game ez life

Not liking Ami so far. Tonally she feels way too serious and sudden.

@Alice

why did you flip your read (especially given that Ami didn’t make any new posts, and the one you quoted was like a third of her posts-to-date)?

(Blue/other people I’m getting to your question)

[TheBlueElixir]

@an_gorta_pratai

@TheBlueElixir

warning: its only going to have like 2 actual reads

post em anyway

@an_gorta_pratai

I think you could form some possible scum teams and get quite a few reads off of what’s available

bruhg

what do you think the scumteam is then?

@an_gorta_pratai

Blue is usually pretty towny out of the gate, but no so much here.

read insurgency, where the only people I was TR’d by for like all of d1 was the lynch, tomorrow’s ITA targets, sulit(who would become zone and tunnel me), and my hard defender - the wolf.

also SFOL 61

but im going to stop talking about my past games and just say

meta bad

[katze]

@TheBlueElixir

I agreed with the first one, but might I ask what exactly you got from it?

Reactions.

Likely AI ones, but I haven’t really drawn conclusions yet. Probably won’t for a while since I’m playing mostly low effort this game.

[Alice]

Typo. The TR should have been Poss as I’m not seeing any tonal issues and that the noticing CRich’s posting style changes was fairly villagery rather than Ami.

[katze]

@Marshal

i scumread kat first

You didn’t scumread me, you “what the fuck is katze doing they’re probably neutral” read me

Big difference

[Marshal]

I said I did not think you were town

counting that as a scumread

[Alice]

Also I frankly have no idea what the hell Marshal’s doing as his PoV is stupidly narrow but at the same time I know he can fake broader reads as a wolf.