[Game Thread] Meowntainado (4/14) - Day 5 - Mafia Wins!

[orangeandblack5]

I think them finally getting their ass in gear after a red flip and me subbing in and immediately going for their throat isn’t nearly as clearing as you seem to

[orangeandblack5]

Anyways my computer is now all packed up in a box so I’ll be phoneposting for probably until I die

[Luxy]

@Arete

OH RIGHT I remembered another thing I didn’t like about Wendy

Arete pushes on Wednesday a little bit day 1

@Arete

yes I suspect Wendy and to a lesser extent Gorta for reasons I explained in the post

Hmm, does Arete push 2 town simultaneously?

@Arete

—V—

Eli
Emilia
Hippo
Kpokemon
Marl

Cabbage

Aelin/Gorta/Wazza/Luxy/Arctic (this tier is unsorted, some people will probably move once I have the chance to Iso them)

Wendy
Marshal

—W—

Eli is somehow their top townread, Wendy their second bottom. Cabbage is in a weird spot. Ketamine townread

@Arete

@Ketsuban remind me when I wake up to talk to you about Hippo, I have him as pretty confidently V

Pinging a teammate?

@Arete

idk if I’m hardshielding Cabbage but they had a couple posts earlier that were vaguely townie and Aelin has had zero posts that are vaguely townie therefore I would rather Aelin die than Cabbage

Protecting Cabbage

@Arete

@Chloe

|cabbage|Aelin, an_gorta_pratai, Wendy, Ketsuban, Marshal, EliThePsycho|6/8|

|Aelin|Arctic, Luxy, Emilia, Arete, Hippolytus|5/8|

blinks

wow I hate the Cabbage wagoncomp

Would Arete say this if they had two teammates on this wagon?

@Arete

random PoE slot, vaguely townie person, vaguely wolfy person, townie person, wolfy person, townie person (6/8)

random PoE slot, random PoE slot, townie person, me, townie person (5/8)

vaguely townie person with a wack EoD (1/8)

townie person (1/8)

not voting - random PoE slot - 1

@Arete

basically the same reasons I explained earlier, some of your early posts looked like they were trying to Look Pro-Town without actually doing anything + your read on Eli kind of feels like you’re trying to keep the PoE wide/like you feel like Eli should be a viable miselim and you’re frustrated that people are clearing him, you’ve stated why you think Eli’s town meta doesn’t apply here but you haven’t really addressed the fact that his posting always sucks even as town or his complete inability to make reads as wolf

More pushing on Wendy

@Arete

the fact that I’m the only one trying to swing the wagons from cabbages to Aelin, who is right there and could easily be voted , means that either cabbages is a villager or they’re both wolves

so either way voting Aelin is better because Aelin villager/cabbages wolf is basically never a world

Bad look for cabbage I identified this post as really agendery in my wallpost yesterday

@Arete

you do realize that if you are a villager and Arctic is a wolf then saying ‘Arctic is a wolf, give me the gun’ basically guarantees that you won’t receive it

TMI?

@Arete

Ketsuban is rapidly rising to the top of my towncore

Townreading Ketamine

@Arete

/vote Arctic

@Arete

I didn’t have a particularly strong read on you, I do think I was kind of subconsciously ignoring your slot yesterday because you were obviously not W/W with Marshal

I think you’re reading the vote as having more intention to kill than it actually does, it’s an ‘Arctic did something vaguely bad’ vote not an ‘Arctic is a member of the Mafia, die’ vote

Starts pushing on Arctic

@Arete

this is kind of villagery

Backtracks

@Arete

I think that yesterday’s EoD points to Cabbage being more likely to be a villager, no one except me was really trying to either change the wagons to Aelin or to put themself in a position to leverage towncred from Cabbage’s flip in a bussy way

Agenda

@Arete

he’s not town because he’s posting he’s town because he’s posting anything that remotely resembles actual content and not fluff

Defending Eli

@Arete

I kinda feel like ‘Cabbage townreading Aelin is bad/wolfy’ and ‘the Aelin wagon was specifically an attempt to save Cabbage’ contradict

@Arete

I mean that’s technically true but I feel like it would defeat the entire point of having wolves save Cabbage

Defending Cabbage

@Arete

by … not having Cabbage undermine the entire save attempt? Cabbage was nearly voted out yesterday because they refused to self-pres on Aelin

@Arete

I feel like whatever Cabbage had done at EoD you would be calling it wolfy

Cabbage defends Aelin → ‘oh, they must have had TMI’

Cabbage pushes Aelin → ‘wow, what a wolf-motivated push to save Cabbage’

like

what do you think village!Cabbage would do

Defending Cabbage

@Arete

…your entire reason for not voting Arctic is 'Arete is voting him and Arete scumcased Marshal overnight which therefore makes them a wolf??

I think this clears Wazza

@Arete

you’re basing your entire thought process there on preflipping me as scum on the basis that I cased the nightkill and therefore have to be a wolf

@Arete

if you’re going to condescend to me I’m not going to engage with you

I don’t see this w/w ever

@Arete

I agree that his posting today has been worse but I don’t know if he could emulate his meta as well as he did on day 1

Defending Eli

@Arete

@Chloe

|an_gorta_pratai|cabbage, Arctic|2/7

@Arete

/vote Gorta

@an_gorta_pratai

if I died right now GTH I would say Cabbage, Artic, and Arete scum

God this would be ironic if this was true.

@Arete

sidenote I feel like half of this post is basically just Luxy townreading/scumreading Cabbage when he agrees/disagrees with their reads

This clears me if I wasn’t already locktown lmao

[Game Thread] Meowntainado (9/14) - Day 3

(disclaimer that I’ve read both your posts, I’m breaking this up into two posts for readability) I agree that the read is kind of dumb but I don’t think that makes it wolfy, people on this site have all kinds of ??? ideas about how wolves tend to play Attempting to discredit early reads. I disagree that these are "discredit"ing, like, having disagreements about some reads isn’t inherently wolfy, asking someone how they got to their reads isn’t wolfy Discrediting. again, just becau…

Honestly I found it very weird that Arete chose to defend cabbage over themselves at first.

@Arete

I generally try to avoid executing players that I think are town unless I have a really good reason

Defending cabbage

@Arete

there were also a bunch of points that are like ‘this is why Cabbage and Arete are W/W’ which I know isn’t true but just reiterating ‘this is false because I’m town’ also seems kind of pointless

Interesting.

@Arete

how tf is Cabbage still ?tied? for top wagon when the counterwagon is literally making blatantly false claims, backtracking when called out on it, and refusing to provide even a single post of evidence when I actively try as hard as I can to handhold him through the process of ‘explaining your reads’

Very agendery

@Arete

I feel like all my reasoning on Cabbage is just getting ignored because ‘aReTe Is CaBbAgE’s PaRtNeR’

Agenda

@Arete

I think this hardclears Cabbage

Agenda

@Arete

/vote Arctic @sulit @Chloe

Marl dying rather than getting the gun looks bad for him

Pushes Arctic again.

[Game Thread] Meowntainado (9/14) - Day 3

Arctic Iso (sorry for dipping, I had to go do family stuff) (also this isn’t literally every post in Arctic’s Iso, just the important ones) me too, pretty weird how i’ve never seen you around there before Arctic’s opener is pretty whatever, it’s a meme in the middle of meme phase. His response to the suggestion that he and Wendy could be partnery is kind of awkward though – it feels like he’s not really sure what to say and is trying to defuse the tension with a joke. then he gets into …

Honestly a lot of effort to be casing a teammate tbh. I’m not sure if this is distancing or a mislynch attempt.

@Arete

I’m bad at preflips but some of his interactions with Wendy looked kind of sketchy, particularly the bit where he was like ‘here are a bunch of reasons why I think the Wendy slot is Mafia’ and then was like ‘but I don’t want to kill them today’ and then literally never mentioned the read again or allowed it to influence his later readlists

Sets up an Arctic/Wendy scumteam

Arctic and Wendy are not both wolves here.

@Arete

with the knowledge that she’s Mist I’m not super seeing it, she’s had several points that have seemed genuine/not things she would fake as scum + I liked her progression on Hippo + I thought her read on me was reasonably nuanced in a way that I think she would find difficult to fake

Defending Ketamine

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Overall, from Arete’s posts there are some spews there.

Cabbage honestly looks horrendous here, although there is the WIFOM aspect that somehow cabbage is town because I got the gun and they were hoping to clear Arete from a cabbage town flip, there is just blatant agenda in so many of Arete’s posts regarding cabbage. I think them giving me the gun was an attempt to WIFOM me out of the Arete/Cabbage team and have me shoot someone else. I also don’t get why Arete spent 2 days shifting wagons off cabbage if they were really just whiteknighting a town, it was easier to let cabbage go down, flip town and then push gorta for more mislynches.

Ketamine has some bad looks here and has been wolfsiding relatively hard. Their re-eval was sort of towny so I dont want to lynch them today.

I think Wendy and Wazza are cleared from this

I don’t think Wendy and Arctic can ever be a team.

Arete has been hard-defending Eli all game. Maybe they’re hoping they’ll coast to a win? Could also be whiteknighting I’m not sure.

Arete may have slipped that Arctic is a wolf. They also push, then backtrack, and then push on them today. But I’m not sure if Arete was in distancing mode today.

There may be a world where orange is scum here, because Emilia did track downwards before replacing out and orange has been rather lacklustre so far.

Overally I’m think cabbage wolf then lynch either Eli/ketamine tomorrow.

[Arctic]

@Luxy

Honestly I found it very weird that Arete chose to defend cabbage over themselves at first.

i mean you made the cabbage post first

@Luxy

Honestly a lot of effort to be casing a teammate tbh. I’m not sure if this is distancing or a mislynch attempt.

the latter
if cabbage is a wolf which i think is likely then the scumteam needed to push me or wazza today

[Wazza]

I was thinking and if Arete really did think they could die, why would Ketsuban, if they’re partnered with Arete, not suggest Arete to be shot? Even if they didn’t encourage it like myself or Luxy.

[Arctic]

ketsuban had arete as one of their top town, they didn’t really have the progression to suggest an arete shot

[Luxy]

Honestly, cabbage is probably just a wolf.

[Luxy]

Alright I’m going to sleep soon, will be putting my vote on cabbage before I go. I won’t be online for EOD so, last chance to talk to me because I will be dead.

[Luxy]

/vote cabbage

[EliThePsycho]

i should
probably do something

[Chloe]

Player	Voted by	Votes
cabbage	Wazza, orangeandblack5, Wendy, Luxy	4/5
Arctic	Ketsuban, Hippolytus	2/5
Not voting	Arctic, cabbage, EliThePsycho	3

Both majority and plurality are in effect. With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach majority.

orangeandblack5 replaced Emilia

[Ketsuban]

wow how did this thought occur to you

[Hippolytus]

Damn I hope no one hammers cabbage

[Hippolytus]

That would be a real shame

[Hippolytus]

A real real shame

[Hippolytus]

I wonder where this string of one liners is going

[Hippolytus]

No one will ever be able to guess the punchline

[Hippolytus]

/vote cabbage @Chloe

[Chloe]

Final Day 3 VC

Player	Voted by	Votes
cabbage	Wazza, orangeandblack5, Wendy, Luxy, Hippolytus	5/5
Arctic	Ketsuban	1/5
Not voting	Arctic, cabbage, EliThePsycho	3

Majority has been reached! 5 minutes to DM me with errors.