King is now super boring to play

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#1

Since Allies is no longer a thing on the game, King is now a super boring class to play. You cant do nothing but wait for a good lead.

You cant prove yourself, You cant investigate, And you cant make the game keep going faster.

Allies made the game more dynamic, because King was REALLY a Court Leader. Now he has to wait good leads/claims or just put random people up for logs.

Lets also talk about Order.

Order is a super boring ability to play against, lets imagine There is 4 people left in the game. 3 blue dragon members (For example, a Butler, A hunter and a Drunk) and there is Evil King.

Evil King can just use order 4 nights in a row and force the draw.

Its just extremely boring.

Since i dont like to just whine, I bring to you some solutions to this problem, there is some ideas:

A- Make Allies not available until Day 3:

This would give evil some time to not get exposed by Allies, since they have more opportunities to fake his logs

B- Make Allies only have 3 charges

Probably getting 4 people´s factions is super powerful, you can just nerf it to 3 and it will be fine.

C- Make Allies give you information in a different way

What if instead of giving you the Faction, it gives you if he can Target the King with abilities or not. This is a nerfed version of Allies, but it can be more useful than Order.

Well hope this helps since a lot of Kings are being Clueless on what to do right now and it gets boring to wait Leads from A king who cant investigate anymore.

Good Night.

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#2

Or…

…no Allies.

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#3

People don’t complain as a Butler or a Drunk or even a Knight. You use your clues and try to block or kill who you think is evil based on OTHER PEOPLE’S DEDUCTIONS.

There are the Investigative Classes for a reason. Having the King be a confirmed Neutral destroyer ruins the game.

And this is part of the social deduction genre, not the “randomly choose targets until you find an evil and kill them” genre.

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#4

Yea, but this social deduction is making the game extremely slow.

#5

Well I mean, there are probably lots of new players who join the playerbase constantly, which is a good thing, but they’ll just take time to get used to it. I mean, with this patch, I busted MM on Day 5, when Sheriff and Prince were both dead, as Good King, just by getting information from Nobles, Observers, and people’s voting patterns. But also helps that we did a lot of claim or get put up to people who were suspicious.

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#6

One thing everyone seems to forget is that someone who knows everyone’s claims will usually figure out who the scum are. If the game is too slow then there are other solutions than King. For the record when I play a round of ToL I expect it to take around half an hour.

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#7

First of all I want to say thank you to your answers.

My point is, The King has no power Itself, he depends 100% on other members of the court. He cant do anything alone now but avoiding votes and guarding somebody. That makes the game more slow.

Also, if the leader cant get leads for himself, whats the point on being a King?

#8

No man rules alone. A leader is nothing without his followers.

A leader that leads for himself is called a loner.

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#9

Then what about this King?

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#10

Allies was a crutch. Order and additional guards are enough for now imo

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#11

Max of 2 day and night Ability’s.

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#12

Read the "or"s xD

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#13

That king would be a real Leader. since he can control the Court while not being a Investigator, which is in fact, what a lot of people dont like.

Anyways my point on this post is: Order is not what King needs and its killing the class.

#14

Allies was killing the early game. A leader without his court’s support is nothing but a peasant.

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#15

How about private matters?

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#16

Also with the new allies change I’ll be playing more. (As soon as pc is fixed FeelsBadMan)

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#17

As I said, there is other ways to nerf Allies and make it more fair. Im not just whining, im giving some ideas to fix the Allies problem everyone has.

#18

The problem is that Ally’s is fundimentally flawed on king.

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#19

What about the Private Chambers then? King can ask people to claim, and interesting interactions

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#20

It would be nice.

If people dont want Allies back, then add a Ability who can make the king have some leads. Because this “No info King” is a real pain.