Mercenary and sellsword

I didn’t have a problem being mercs contract or even going against merc either. It was pretty fun actually trying to figure out if merc was converted or it they were both unseen covering for each other. Added an extra layer which I enjoyed

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There are always more people playing against or alongside a given class than people playing as that class. So issues like merc’s bussing their contracts and always recontracting to prince are more important than the Merc being randomly contracted to a bad player.

However since that is an issue too we need to solve both problems without breaking the game in some other way

Merc being convertible was never the issue and no one complained about unseen using tricks to cleverly fake merc

Then what were the problems. Pls explain. I’m not trying to be a jerk about this but I really want to see what was wrong with the class

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The issue is with the contract system.

A: with 2 contracts it is best to ignore the first and then contract prince on death
B: with 1 non-random contract he can simply get the prince to out and then contract him. This resolves to prince out meta as does A
C: with 1 random contract he can get screwed over by bad players
D: with 2 random contracts you have the endgame being determined by RNG even if you restrict the second one to the same faction as the first

None of these outcomes are good so none of them are used.

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There are other issues, some of which pop up if you try to brute force the problems I listed but those are the biggest ones

Option C doesn’t seem too bad. Even if you screwed over by bad players then that game is over and you join another one. You don’t know how many times I got screwed over by bad BD players when o was playing as BD. It just happens

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If you were to completely rework merc what would you do with the class

Honestly I wouldn’t. I’d change him but not completely.

First thing I would do is make stand guard inform him if a killer or special class visits his target (non-visitors don’t visit obviously)

Then I would try and replace shield with something more interesting. Not sure what.

That’s it

Can you explain why this is so bad? Say you don’t have a bad player, then what? Or even if you do have a bad player or a new player that you have to be a little smarter with to help keep alive.

Again even if you lose early on then just wait to join another game.

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The issue is that it means that if you win or not is largely out of your control in a way that simply isn’t true for other classes. It isn’t fun to try and keep a new player alive when they just get themselves killed anyways and it isn’t quick either.

Not to mention that he can be volitile in that his impact is largely determined by his contracts class.

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They we can try to come up with a new contract system. I can’t think of some at the top of my head but I’m sure we could balance it out

Why do we have to? What is actually wrong with the current Merc?

And don’t just say he’s boring because that doesn’t help

That’s actually one of the main reasons…

his shield ability it just knights guard but worst.

He is a neutral player but pretty much has to side and help BD, because BD is the main faction against unseen/cult. Similar to why I dislike inqu

His stand guard ability is the most annoying ability in the game. It’s not fun to play as or to use because you don’t know if you did anything. Now on the other side mercs that just randomly stand guard players are really stressful to play against. When I’m a BD member and I’m trying to gather information but a merc stand guarded that person preventing me that night, I find that annoying and unnecessary

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Those issues are far easier to fix than the problems with contract.

For example this is easily solved by my suggestion

Even if merc had contract back. It worked before. Most games I had fun working with my contract. And very early I say 1/10 they were bad

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It’s not that old merc can’t be fun. Some of the problems were only bad if the Merc exploited them (like with A and B) so it is entirely possible that some people never actually enacted them.

This is the reason why that Merc is still in FoL.

However the general ToL playerbase is neither you nor me

I am aware that we’re not the only people. Just bringing up the problem with merc.

If they are the. Why haven’t they been fixed yet. It’s been a couple updates since they changed merc and SS