Opinion Thread: The Fool (ToL)

#381

Plus it reduces amount of people wich can side with evil

#382

an outted fool is absolutely harmless except with their words and their votes

every other neutral is potentially detrimental to BD

i don’t think princes should execute fools in an unseen game unless the game is almost over and both starting unseen are dead, but even then i think its suboptimal

i don’t think princes should ever execute fools in a cult game

#383

so then the right tactic is to not kill fool if Thats your opinion it still doesnt punish you for correct read

#384

i don’t think this is my problem with fool though

my problem with fool stems from different factors

for one, being an outted, confirmed fool is pretty hard to pull off

#385

If you are an outted Fool, you either can try to help evils subtely so they can help you winning
Or you go for neutral King

#386

I mean, any NK can go “Pret here king me pls” And snatch the throne away. Or how about confirmed BD?

#387
hold up

wait a second, what am i

and then side against BD

why ever vote in a fool king

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#388

I would rather put a Prince with 3 exes on the Throne than fool

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#389

okay lets not get carried away

#390

Fool King is not better or worse than other Neutral Kings
cough Pretender cough

#391

dont get me STARTED on pretender

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#392

So, a Neutral king is evil?

Anyway, back on topic

#393

in most cases, unless butlers exist to threaten them, yes. but generally neutral kings just try to end the game soon because that’s their new wincon (lategame this usually means kill BD)

and since a valid fool strategy is getting kinged when outted, i think it’s worth discussing

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#394

If it becomes a valid strat for fool, it becomes a valid strat for any evil claiming to be fool.

#395

part of the argument is “confirmed fool”

#396

I mean, what is the difference between a fool and an (unknown) evil acting like fool?

#397

In moat cases, why would a dool confirm themselves?

#398

most of the time, few, but i feel like the latter is possible to scumread in mooost cases

well this is kind of my point to emilia earlier

being a confirmed fool isn’t easy to pull off on accident

id only do it on purpose if i knew evils could force a ML on me, or if it’s basically known and i wanna have more fun and maybe get neut king

#399

Why is a fool a Mislynch? They are scum, they can win without BD, them winning hurts BD the most, etc.

#400

I mean from a scum pov you want people who aren’t you lynched

But a fool exe doesn’t strictly hurt bd

I gotta sleep but I think a fool exe destroys cult (esp CL) and hurts poss really bad