Orangevitational - Aliens Win!

[Student]

@Cryogenics

Reading the post isn’t wolf indicative…telling other people that they should be town read for reading said post is, however, because no sane villager has actual thoughts like that

@Coroner

Sheeeesh

I like this push. Coroner’s reaction to it was also pretty bad.

@Security

game doesn’t end with coroner it means comms was probably town or impostor

The hell does this mean? Security has made a bunch of hedgy posts in which they are trying to appear productive and involved in the discussion but they don’t actually conclude anything.

@Security

Or I guess coroner could be impostor as well if comms was a wolf, but mathematically unlikely

…This is also wrong, since if Communications was a wolf Coroner has to be since it means they lied about the alignment of Communications.

@Security

I haven’t ruled out the possibility it’s just really embarrassing if that is the case

This is… a mildly villagery response, I guess? It makes sense from the perspective of a villager who is embarrassed they attacked the same target as the wolves. I can’t tell if Security is just a willager here or an indecisive wolf.

@Facilitator

I pointed out that there could have been a crosskill, people semi-ignored me, and I moved on with my life.

See, that’s the problem. You repeatedly brought up the possibility yet you never tried to convince anyone else. Even if you weren’t confident I feel like a villager would want to make people more aware of the possibility.

@Facilitator

ok, ok I see what’s happening here
you’re face to face with tunneling and it’s strange
you don’t even know how you feel
it’s annoying
well, it’s nice that townies never change

open your eyes, let’s begin
yes it’s really me, a townie, breathe it in
I know there’s a lot
the ISO, the votes
when you’re tunneling on an innocent

what can I say except “you’re quite wrong”
in this game, you’re made, a mistake
hey it’s okay, it’s okay
you’re quite wrong
I’m just an ordinary doctor-guy

@Facilitator

also, you’re tunneling.

This entire segment assumes that I am a villager. I don’t recall you being of this opinion, though I may be wrong.

@Teleporter

Coroner has listed both flipped players as villagers, and I don’t see any reason for them to lie about their results unless they were exactly the Symp. And if they’re lying as the Symp, that means that one of them is a wolf and we will be in Easy Mode. Plus they will likely get outed because NKs won’t be showing up.

They will also lie as a wolf if Communications was the N1 attacking wolf.

@Officer

Funnily enough I do think this makes tele and fac compatible but I’ve felt a little better about both of them recently (though a large part of that is just lazy optimism about coroner)

Honestly, this seems like a pretty weird thought for a wolf to have after reading Teleporter’s wall…

@Surveillance

that’s somewhat uncharitable, because that’s not what i said.

Could you explain again then? I don’t understand.

[Student]

I think Teleporter has a good point about Officer being villagery on a micro level but wolfy on a macro level. Some of their posts are pretty villagery in a vacuum, but their play from a holistic perspective has been pretty bad with how they’ve consistently sheeped thread consensus.

[Student]

I think Facilitator/Coroner always contains at least one wolf or Sympathizer. These two slots really have nothing going for them socially in my opinion, at least compared to everyone else.

[Surveillance]

what i was saying is that i don’t see why wolves would holster their kill to frame you if coroner’s alive and town, because that wouldn’t work.

the thought about the wolfteam being student/coroner was entirely separate. i formatted my thought badly.

[Student]

This is pretty level 0 thought, but I seriously doubt Facilitator and Coroner are ever allowed to endgame, so it would make sense to kill Coroner first so I can at least get a good role sooner.

[Student]

If the game ends with Coroner then holy shit, I am a god at this game.

[Surveillance]

if the game ends with coroner then i harddefended both wolves.
pls no.

[Student]

Outside of Coroner, why do you think Communications was town? His Iso consists of a lot of reads pulled from a guide of how to village that could be applied to almost any post, and a bunch of questions they don’t do anything with. They don’t look like they’re trying to evaluate the game beyond a surface level.

[Student]

@Coroner

@Student

I’m not sure how much this matters, but Teleporter is another Sympathizer candidate. They have a bunch of reasonable sounding takes but they feel like they want to die on the inside.

I’m not hanging this slot ever

@Coroner

/vote student

Outstanding move

[Surveillance]

@Student

Outside of Coroner, why do you think Communications was town?

because i’m stubborn.

i guess we won’t know for sure unless we kill coroner, will we?

[Student]

@Coroner

But my mafia flowchart wants me to lynch on wagon since we have a green flip at the front of it surely there is an alien vote in the middle of it.

@Coroner

My concern is the poe being wrong. And it’s not just because I’m in it, but no one in the poe voted comms.

Actually, from the perspective of someone who knows Communications’ alignment, the thought process here is pretty congruent, even though I’m not really sure there had to have been a wolf on the wagon, regardless of alignment.

[Surveillance]

another thing about coroner is that if coroner’s a wolf with comms, their defense today was super limp. we’re in an invitational game and they’re also the last pack wolf remaining in that world. why not try harder?

[Student]

Uh, well we still won’t know since Coroner may be Sympathizer.

[Surveillance]

i guess lack of wim is a factor that can happen to anyone, but still. they don’t seem very concerned about dying other than “poe is wrong.”

maybe it’s just someone who’s not that great at wolfing.

[Surveillance]

@Student

Uh, well we still won’t know since Coroner may be Sympathizer.

i meant if the game ended then we would know. i phrased it badly.

[Surveillance]

@Surveillance

another thing about coroner is that if coroner’s a wolf with comms, their defense today was super limp. we’re in an invitational game and they’re also the last pack wolf remaining in that world. why not try harder?

this point also applies if they are sympathizer, since sympathizer needs to be alive to win. keeping themselves alive is literally in their wincon.

[Student]

Well, if my teammate was D1’ed I can say for sure I’d have no WiM at the moment. There’s nothing stopping this from being the case for Coroner.

[Student]

I can’t really interpret Coroner’s play today as villagery. From their perspective, no wolves have flipped and village is about to kill another villager. They have no sense of urgency or a need to take initiative. It may be a play style or activity thing because they didn’t seem invested in the game Day 1, but even when they are in thread I don’t get the impression that they are actually concerned about, well, anything.

[Surveillance]

coroner seems unable to muster any credible and coherent thoughts about the game despite backreading the entirety of day 1 (by their own admission, and also supported by them liking day 1 posts).

@Student

Well, if my teammate was D1’ed I can say for sure I’d have no WiM at the moment.

the utter lack of coherent thoughts about the game, aside from “poe is wrong, weh,” might point to that, i guess. as a villager they would probably at least have something?

@Coroner

I find one of Scientist/tele is a bad guy (probably the former)
Security seems wolfy, but pushing on a vig without full night action understanding is barf
Facil never pinged me as town like the others
But my mafia flowchart wants me to lynch on wagon since we have a green flip at the front of it surely there is an alien vote in the middle of it.

And student is guiltied right?

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this post is player salad. it feels like names thrown in. i don’t follow the thought process.
i want to kill this, but this, but maybe this, but also this and this, yeah, this. /vote student “is guiltied right?”
hedge from one direction to another.

@Coroner

do you think comms was an alien?

this question to security is ??? from the perspective of their role.

@Coroner

Or was likely to be one

you have tmi on this.

@Coroner

Its a valid question after security posed comm/coroner theory

no, it’s not.

@Coroner

And it’s not just because I’m in it, but no one in the poe voted comms.

this would be a good point if the poe had space to vote comms yesterday and didn’t. the wagon was literally the entire towncore with no room for anyone else.

@Coroner

Trapsetter feels pretty mia today. And I’ve read up to 1040 or so.

@Coroner

He, student, and cryo have the worst spots on the wagon.

this is literally just shading the entire towncore.

[Surveillance]

@Surveillance

@Coroner

do you think comms was an alien?

this question to security is ??? from the perspective of their role.

@Coroner

Or was likely to be one

you have tmi on this .

i actually don’t understand this, because he knows what alignment comms was. you don’t ask questions what other people think about the flip, you push through your results. you don’t want villagers to make incorrect assumptions about past flips. especially when you’re deep in poe. you want your results to be your legacy.

maybe it’s just me who thinks this.