derps is definitely higher on my list now
we’re in agreement for the most part except for marshal
i’m less sure of her now but i do think she’s still probably town
before sod i’m gonna look at lol and PKR because i have a lot of stuff to say
at least about PKR anyway
PKR time
very bad placatory post
would like a second opinion on if this is AI for PKR specifically
this post implies that the 3 people voting him are all town and it seems odd how he forgot to consider the possibility that one of them is just a wolf
and it’s clear from this post (and also by how early this was in the game anyway) that PKR was not sure all the people voting him were town
i’ve heard reading into perspective slips is usually fruitless but idk if this is something worth looking into
this post looks like PKR is just saying words for the sake of saying words
it does not accomplish anything and instead feels like a wolf flailingly trying to justify a prior read that really had no basis
the progression on eli is questionable
it goes from weirdchamp push on me so slight scumlean to town to scumlean with the last transition seemingly having no reason
as hippo points out all of his posts at this point have been mech stuff or about how eeryone is bad at reading him, instead of actually giving many reads
which makes me think PKR’s post was created as a response to this and thus he felt forced to give a scumlean to appear as though he’s contributing something rather than his thoughts actually being genuine
it would explain why he want back to scumleaning eli without giving a reason
these posts were in response to me asking why he changed his read on eli
i don’t think this progression makes sense when he literally has mentioned something which made him read eli as town
already said this in thread but this entire post is fake
PKR did not answer me when i asked what made him think chloe seems cautious and why she’d be more confident as mafia when she’s probably more confident as town because she has many more towngames
more useless filler mech talk
this post looks like it’s trying to shut down the thunderdome in bad faith by leveling marl’s push to paranoia about chloe being a good player… despite marl’s push having nothing to do with this
the fact that i think the thunderdome was v/v is making me second guess what motivation he’d have to do this as a wolf especially when the post was incredibly bad, but i still can’t townread it because of the way he went about it
i guess the wolf motivation could be “these wagons are v/v so i’m gonna take a step back and gain cred after the flips” but this narrative probably isn’t objective
this progression makes sense and is vaguely villagery
he states his concern that mafia aren’t voting (on the wagons, or at all?) and then most of his scumleans are people that aren’t voting
this post is objectively disgusting
it reeks of credgrabby “i told you so” posting wolfs do when they know a villager is going to flip
this isn’t the first time PKR has mentioned killing the newer players, but i can’t help but feel like it seemingly came from nowhere
it went from someone asking why his vote was still on bluelance after the RVS and then all of a sudden PKR is on some crusade against the new players
it feels forced
i forgot to ask him about this at the time but why is he voting someone else other than his top scum, especially when he’s much more likely to be able to get eli to flip today than bluelance? it seems like he isn’t actually pushing to kill a wolf here, rather just avoid the v/v thunderdome
i think this post is villagery for some reason except for the bolded where he unfortunately regresses his read on me to hedge saying that it could go either way
villagery probing of lol to explain the post about himself
but lol never actually answered
i feel like these two probably have partner equity because of that
tbf i don’t think this is as bad as i thought it was before i made this but PKR really is quite underwhelming
most of his reads he only gave when he was prompted to do so and a lot of them have no reasoning or weird progression, and a lot of his ISO is filler mech talk or complaints
oh also he’s been lurking in the thread and shows up every time i mention him (idk if this is AI but i still wanted to mention it)
i could also make the argument that PKR is threadspewed wolf by the fact that his content is just as underwhelming as lol’s yet no one really scumreads him except me
if he were a villager, it’d feel like an easy push for wolves to make and then blame me for it
take a look at PKR’s early-game ISO in thing game where he was a wolf
it’s shockingly similar to his play in this game
coasting, hardly any reads, mainly mech talk or talk about how to play the game rather than actually playing it
lmk if you think the same
ah fuck, i realised i forgot to look at his alt account in that game
the alt is less similar but it’s not exactly a fair comparison because it’s… an alt
This was just PKR being passive-aggressive due to being frustrated with being miseliminated a lot, as he pointed out when Eli said the same thing.
The progression on Eli is weird, though. I would like to say that Hippo/PKR don’t seem like W/W, but Hippo never pushed it further than that so it’s still possible. It’s probably good to ask Hippo about their read on PKR.
The paranoia thing is just weird, because Marl was clearly OMGUSing. I don’t know if it’s just me who can see that since I’m the one who got Marl emotional, but I’d say that more often than not, wolves would try to reason with town to gain towncred. It doesn’t resemble a wolf talking to a villager -sort of situation.
The newbie thing is bad but I don’t know if it’s wolfy
This is actually pretty interesting. I don’t know about this.
PKR has a habit of talking about mech a lot as far as I can remember. Right now I’m debating whether or not I want to go outside or stay here and ISO people for an hour before SoD
haha, same i was just about to go outside
i probably still will, lol is the only person i want to check over but even then i don’t think i have too much to say
I’m going to skim Marshal’s ISO quickly, since we disagree on her. Could you give me your thoughts?
i think her push on chloe is in good faith (she even believed this herself, which is something to take into consideration) and the angle she took about chloe generalising her reads with a bunch of random l-0 ones requires a level of villagery frustration that’s hard to fake
her legacy post is also like uber villagery
it convinces me she generally believes she could die at night
Okay, she is looking pretty comfortable so far. I like her readlist.
I’m just gonna go pull up the posts that are making me paranoid in a second
…
I might have started reading her wolfgame and come out with the conclusion that her behavior is drastically different from this game. Wowee.
She’s good enough for now, but she can fake her tone extremely well and that’s what I’m scared of. I’ll look at her more closely during the day, but I’m still paranoid
quickly going over lol before i go (and probably die, mind you)
this is like one of the few meaningful posts lol has
even though it’s wrong because i don’t think this was eli’s intention (which kind of removes any credit it could give him) it feels like a genuine take
i don’t know why he voted me here, i might ask him about this tomorrow
you should too if i’m dead
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nice
i don’t know much about lol, i’ve never played with them and only vaguely spectated one of their games but i feel like they could be putting more effort in
i think marshal was saying that he’s lacking his big plays and enthusiasm he normally has as a villager? might be something to ask about
this read on surface level is okay, but the fact they’ve never actually pushed marshal much beyond this is… not a great look
when people don’t follow through with their reads it gives the impression more that they’re saying things for the sake of saying them rather than because they genuinely believe them and plan on following them up
cocky villagery confidence tbh
still entirely fakeable but >rand v
as you said, by itself probably NAI but if derps is a wolf it’s something to look into because of partner equity
the way lol doesn’t actually provide an explanation for his read but instead builds it on mine and just interprets it differently is a bad look
there’s no evidence of an actual basis for his read here
this is a good look on surface level but it kind of reminds me of in short fuse where wolves will have really exaggerated responses to town blowing up others and attacking the play rather than using it to solve
ok i’m reaching but
i don’t think it’s incredibly deep for a wolf to say “no don’t kill the newbies!”
i don’t know how i missed this before but… lol seems to be scumreading you for… doing stuff?
i’m not really sure what this is
the last part just looks tacked on and has exactly 0 relevance to the rest of the read
keeps saying richard is town but never actually why
is this a classic case of wolf “i told you so”
same thing but even worse
was talking about eli here
i don’t think wolves use threadreads that much so i think it’s a good look?
this read makes no sense and is probably fake
says you are frozen but also making content
what
most of lol’s reads are level-1 at best and i can’t follow the thought process for a solid 90% of them
almost nothing here is fakeable, but the best look is probably the threadread on eli
tbh i’m not as sure on him being a wolf as i was before reading this, but i still think he probably is judging by the gamestate
anyway i’m gonna go outside now
will probably die but i’ve said what i need to
if no one starts pushing on PKR i need you to be my spokesperson
the poe is extremely winnable
we got this
Gotcha. I might or might not throw some shade on you to buy you more time, but I won’t actually push you.
Hopefully we’ll survive this night o7
oh yeah one last thing
how do you want me to go about defending you if you’re getting hard pushed
