[SFM] Deus Ex 20th Anniversary - Enemy Within 4 - Illuminati wins

[Amelia]

[Leafia]

This works too.

[CRichard564]

Looks like the hosts are taking their time here.

[Intensify]

Summary

@an_gorta_pratai

I remember when I used to hate the way Intensify posted

;-;

@an_gorta_pratai

The only thing I

get from them that seems like effort is when they discredit min’s

Centuries read.

@an_gorta_pratai Could you like expand on this more? Like why do you think the post about CRich discrediting Min’s Cent read feels like effort? I’m not quite getting it. Also, this “effort”, do you think it comes from town or scum?

@ErikaFurudo

let’s be honest there is no way Seth says something which dodges this lynch

inb4 Seth reveals as an IC

@Soulshade55r

My thoughts are that we need to make some strong pushes for tomorrow still and make players good vig type more inclined to shoot.

@Soulshade55r I know this might seem a little picky but what do you mean by “make players good vig type more inclined to shoot”?

@eevee

Why don’t we let it stay in “eevee was shot and didn’t die” situation.

I love it.
It’s perfect for me.

Honestly at this point Eevee just doesn’t make sense to me so I’m just gonna let them do their thing until they do something that interests me.

@Leafia

The thing is, if Seth is Bomber, where are his allies that are supposed to be defending him

They probably left him because he has a redcheck? I mean I don’t think Seth’s partners would be dumb enough to defend their partner from a redcheck. If this is the only arguement that Seth is town then Seth is probably gonna die.

@ChopChop

@EliThePsycho

@PokemonKidRyan

“Your target has planted the bomb”
[/quote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llCmtgvIqcY

Probably some scum manipulation role.
I don’t have access to a bomb.

That’s an interesting response. Not sure how I feel about it.

@ChopChop

But I’m outted Healer now so that’s great.
If PKR is scum that wanted to sacrifice himself to kill me then he’s probably a scum that takes advantage of it.
When I’m lynched don’t lynch PKR he could be Vengeful like, shoot him or something at night instead.
But I think it’s more likely scum manipulated.

Ok it seems Seth is willing to be lonched? That’s kinda interesting actually, not something I would expect from him…

@PokemonKidRyan

Vengeful Mafia who can create a 2x 1000 char message passively.

Seems legit honestly

@PokemonKidRyan Could you reveal like the entire chat conversation? Like everything said? Obviously don’t quote it, like just copy and paste it with quotations around.

@PokemonKidRyan

I could say but it really does not change anything.
I am one of the dudes in the flavour

This makes PKR somewhat more believable I guess? Idk how much flavor matters in this tbh.

@PokemonKidRyan

I had no idea then after I kept saying things here Frost finally confirmed I was town and I just ended up thinking “Well, fuck.”

: |

@CRichard564

I don’t think PKR is the same alignment as Surge is here.
The way they outed their information doesn’t make sense if PKR and Surge are scum partners here.
Whatever alignment Surge is, PKR is most likely not the same alignment.

So you think the super fast instantly out my redcheck at the start of the day indicates PKR is not the same alignment as Seth correct?

@CRichard564

Isn’t it obvious?
In what world does scum!PKR bus one of his partners this early in the game?
I’m waiting for your answer.

Hasn’t Seth been bussed like way too many times before as scum? Or something like that? Actually the only one I can recall is Wild West but I’m sure there’s more cases of scumSeth being bussed.

@an_gorta_pratai

I think a decent question to ask here is if PKR is the wolf in this thunderdome then who are wolves with PKR and the same should be asked for Seth

Kinda hard to answer to be honest. For Seth, I’m pretty sure his partners would’ve most likely abandoned them by now, for PKR, I think all of us probably has some sort of “evidence” pointing it’s us.

@PokemonKidRyan

Ok, but what solo scum member has access to a passive chat and a night ability checker and result getter?

I understand you are just theorising but I could never ever see my role as solo scum.

The one thing I find weird is, if Seth thinks I am scum why did he not out my claim? This is theoretical on Seth being town or another mafia faction to me.

Something about this… feels odd. Like he’s defending himself, but this post feels oddly defensive for another post that’s probably just random tinfoiling? Also I don’t quite get the last argument in this post. 1. Seth doesn’t think you’re Seth I’m pretty sure, considering that he thinks you might have hit a frame or a redirection. 2. Seth outing that you’re an messenger of sorts… ??? I don’t think that does anything for Seth to push against you if he thinks you’re scummy.

@min

Also
If there’s an nk I doubt it would be like a mystic/reversenoble but you can also kill Because lol type of thing

Not trying to shade anyone but there’s I remember a cop NK who had a Right Hand Man with dayvig. Oh yeh both of them could also steal abilities from a certain type of role. NKs could really vary to be honest. I don’t really think PKR is NK though.

@Leafia

Seth is very buyable though

Excuse me what.

@PokemonKidRyan

I have literally never asked for us to ignore other possibilities and ignore discussion of others.
I am saying the lynch is me or Seth.
We have both said our things.

I don’t think they were accusing you of trying to derailing the thread?

@ChopChop

@eevee

And if he says me, it’s illogical, considering I was neither absolute top townread and I wanted to be killed.

You were my highest TR.
Even ask PKR.

Eevee being your highest TR is questionable. @ChopChop could you explain why Eevee was your highest TR? Cause honestly I don’t get it at all.

@Leafia

It’s kind of unavoidable with how things went and when lunches are limited to two people, of course it’s going to limit discussion. If Seth is scum, my best guess as to a teammate for him would be Amelia for that Shade she was throwing on me earlier to be honest.

How is Amelia throwing shade at you make her scum partners with Seth??? Like don’t get me wrong, I’m not satisfied with Amelia, but not sure how that interaction is something connected to Seth.

@ChopChop

This is most likely some scum manipulation role.
I’m assuming I’m not the only healer in this game so I’m hoping we can still survive this if I end up lynched today which I probably will.

@PokemonKidRyan
Remember that scum have the manipulation role and please don’t make the same mistake you did on me to someone else. (Assuming your actual Town)

I’ll try and get some reads going before EoD/My Lynch

I also want to push on any inactives slots to get more information out of them.

…
What.
Ok this legit feels towny… and pure. I honestly don’t know… like… what scum with a redcheck on them says this type of stuff… honestly.

@CRichard564

See the thing that makes me conflicted on voting Surge is that we’re missing a nightkill, which presumably was stopped by Surge healing Eevee, even though PKR claims to have a red check on Surge.

I mean there’s quite a lot of other things that could stop a Nightkill. Plus Eevee was vigged apparently so that doesn’t explain where the Nightkill went.

@ATNoName

The confusing part is wtf scum did in the middle of N1

They attempted to kill someone?

@EliThePsycho

seth scum

Wonderful read
Could you expand on it?

@EliThePsycho

leafia is probably scum

Wonderful read
Could you expand on it?

@EliThePsycho

also i should clarify
leafia only scum if seth scum

@EliThePsycho so you think Leafia is scum defending their scum partner here if Seth is scum correct?

@ChopChop

Ok so I’ll explain on how I would have went about it if I was scum gaslighting PKR.

First my message would have been different.

I probably wouldn’t have instantly claimed my role. Most likely I would have probably not took the risk as they could be another evil or a town that could catch me. So I would have been a little more brawn out rather then straight out limit myself and hard claim.

Course if you want to argue that “Seth, you didn’t get checked yet” then fine this point can be irrelevant.

So to start off as soon as PKR gave the check to me I would have probably started to ask him to double check or ask if anything else happened to kinda throw pretend doubt, like I said this before and I’ll say it again I’m not genuine as scum.

Second, I wouldn’t have been saying there is a “Redirector” as a “Safe” to stay alive.

I would probably throw around that I’m being framed and give a poor response of reasoning.

Thirdly, I wouldn’t be trying to solve elsewhere because I probably wouldn’t care to because I would be scum myself and sure you could argue that I am scum looking for the other scum team but ok, why not let my other team deal with it? Do you think I’m Solo scum? Then.

Lastly, I wouldn’t be willing to sacrifice myself.

Especially as solo scum. I know from my POV I’m the most optimal lynch due to suspicion.

I’m not going to deny it, however I’m not going to freak over it I’m going to figure out what happened and how to solve it, not something I’d do as scum. I’m also a Professor and useful. As scum I would have been using my healer Fake Claim as an excuse to not get rid of me. (Kinda like Leafia WAS doing lol)

Most of this is just self-meta to be honest… meh. I mean eh whatever. Not the best defense I would say.

@CRichard564

I’m thinking Intensify, Derps, Erika and Min as likely town here.

I don’t quite get why you think Derps is likely town tbh. They’ve been pretty null for me this whole time.

@Whysper

@CRichard564

Whysper who do you think is town from your PoV?

I’m thinking Intensify, Derps, Erika and Min as likely town here.

For town, right now I have Gorta, Intensify, and ATNo as TRs. I have Centuries, PKR, Leafia, and you as TLs.

Gorta and NoName I kinda want some explanations for. I can see Gorta but I’m not sure about NoName to be honest.

@Whysper

I’m surprised that you have Erika as likely town. I’ve been SLing her, and I got the impression that a number of others are as well.

Whypser, what do you find scummy about Erika?

@min

@ChopChop

Who will you push/how would you go about Day 3?

If you flip town there’s a high chance of pkr bullshitting therefore he’ll probably be the next target for yeeting

The only reason why we wouldn’t is if someone had like actual info

@min Why do you think scum is willing to sacrifice themselves here to kill a doctor right now instead of just pushing Seth normally?

@min

Also, having a strong feeling the plague might be related to our nk.

In the flavor, the NK is literally described as a test subject or something who escaped from the lab, so this is probably true.

@ChopChop

Well what would you do in my shoes?

Cry and have SFoL 64 flashbacks about being falsely redchecked as town

@ATNoName

if you think its a bus driver, I think I know someone. Hes pretty familiar.

@ATNoName

actually nvm, I was thinking the wrong interaction.

???
What is this?

@min

This game is bastard, I have an idea of what it is means

Is it possible for weirdly balanced roles to exist in that case?

I mean I’m pretty sure anything is possible if bastard. I mean for all we know, this might be some wierd ass Athiest game and we need to lonch Frostwolf to win.

@Amelia

As town you usually make lots of typically anti consensus reads with… actual reasoning, even if it’s just tone

As scum you’re way less aggressive and mostly try to go UTR

I thought it was the opposite? Isn’t Seth aggressive af as town?

@Leafia

I’m starting to doubt it too, even if I no longer think any redirection happened. If Surge flips town, I’ll check PKR tonight with my cop ability so any healers or protectors on me tonight. It’s only a two shot though, so tonight is the last time I’ll be able to use it. N1 I checked Min and got a greencheck on them if anyone is curious.

Wait… when the hell did you out that you had a cop ability… or is this the first time you’re outting this?? also was Min really the best pick bruh.

@min

Ok so

I thought amelia was scum d1 but they have given more content then they did yesterday

Also sorry soul I didn’t realize that I was doing that

They’re just town who doesn’t post as much

@min

They posted more then they did yesterday and a lot of it is questions towards others peoples thoughts and reads

Min, you consider most of what Amelia said yesterday to be content and not just fluff correct?

@Amelia

And Town would also be willing to jump onto a redcheck wagon because they would have little to no reason to doubt it

But but but Amelia…
wHaT iF iT’s A rEaCtIoN tEsT?

@Leafia

I personally feel a Centuries yeet would be best right now. We need to gather more info to solve this thunderdome situation. Info we don’t currently have.

I have a question, so how would Centuries’s execution net us information either? Like I don’t really see any notable interactions between Centuries and someone else to be honest.

@min

If I was converted I wouldn’t of freaking instantly locktowned amelia that’s just so incredibly obvious I may be new but I’m not that dumb

Is Min… self-metaing without a town meta?

@min

unatco specialist

I don’t think outting your flavor was needed to be honest but ok.

@Leafia

My role name is different.

?
Hold on you have the exact same role as Min, but the names are different?
That’s quite odd… to say the least

@Leafia

I’m dumb. My role name is the same as Min. I never checked untiol just now. After the start of the game that was.

: |

@Leafia

I know. Me too. I’ll doublecheck Amelia to make sure they weren’t converted and if everything goes right, all three of us will be confirmed to be town.

Wh- what…
Who in the world would convert Amelia night 1? No offense but she was being scumread by a top townread, and most others would agree she seemed scummy. I don’t see why scum would try to go for Amelia instead of other people who were more townread.

@ErikaFurudo

That would indeed be bastard af

Wow yep that’s super bastard in a explicitly bastard setup

OK SO I WAS DISTRACTED FOR 5 HOURS PLAYING MINECRAFT, WHICH IS WHY I"VE BEEN SLACKING.
Also I really wanted to express my opinion on Seth, I feel like he’s towy, but his arguments and defense isn’t too good.

[Amelia]

Because frost is asleep

[EliThePsycho]

hosts alseep
post joycrab

[ChopChop]

I would have probably healed PKR or Min

[ChopChop]

If I was still alive

[Amelia]

@Intensify

I thought it was the opposite? Isn’t Seth aggressive af as town?

That’s… what I said in that quote

[Intensify]

This is my catcup post.
I really wanted to ISO out NoName. I feel like his day 1scumread on Min feels bad, also from what I can see, his tone or posts for me haven’t gotten better either

[Leafia]

You’re a bit late with that. Seth has already been hammered.

[Intensify]

Oh I read it wrong my bad

[min]

Sorrry yeah

Regret openclsiming

[Intensify]

I blame Minecraft for being too distracting

[Amelia]

Anyway as integrity lies in pieces

[Leafia]

Well, when Seth flips, at least we’ll get valuable info.

[Intensify]

Also why did 2 cops openclaim…?
Amelia was barely even getting pushed and I feel like the Min was obviously town anyways, a greencheck on Min could’ve been hidden without changing much tbh

[Intensify]

Also have we considered that Seth might just be a hidden miller, or is that too bastard or something?

[ChopChop]

If I was a Hidden Miller how would the Bomb result appear?

[ChopChop]

Maybe a hidden fuckin Bus Driver but not miller