[SFM] Evolution Mafia [Mafia wins]

[eevee]

@Emilia

unless they do

Ici didn’t know what post restriction gives.

He also didn’t appear to have one.

So no.

[Emilia]

I meant evo point

[Solic]

I just want to take a moment and say that I’m very happy with everyone’s effort into this game. I genuinely have a tough time figuring out scum now tbh.

[Emilia]

this

[katze]

@eevee-sama

Like… Ici.

fuck

you’re absolutely right

and here i thought i was a genius

@Icibalus can you confirm that you both do not have an evolution point and do not have a post restriction

[eevee]

@Solic

I just want to take a moment and say that I’m very happy with everyone’s effort into this game. I genuinely have a tough time figuring out scum now tbh.

Thanks

[katze]

oh i forgot about that event

ici could have won that

@Icibalus answers please

[Italy]

katze, me, solic, eevee, emilia and two unknown people all have evo points
coincidentally, katze, me, solic, emilia, possessed and ici all lack post restrictions

[katze]

possessed has a post restriction

[Italy]

he does?
what is it

[katze]

post limit

[Italy]

big f possessed

[Solic]

@Vulgard

Napoleon’s ISO is an absolute dumpster fire. Starts with memes and continues to meander through the thread by fluffposting. Not sure what he wants to achieve, these are not even reaction tests. More like blending in.

@JakeTheWolfie

/vote vulgard

This Fenciness of “Marshal has been playing badly, but it could just be a bad town” is… strange. “I don’t know” is usually a sign of scum

Has no read on Marshal. Wolfreads me for not having a read on Marshal.

@JakeTheWolfie

Marshal is being Marshal

Yeah.

Jake’s D1 is tunnelvision on Marshal mostly, after giving a wolflean on Katze which isn’t followed up upon in any meaningful way. Jake keeps toying with his push/read of Marshal, unvoting and voting, talking to him, advocating for others to lynch him, et cetera. Closer to EoD, he just plays around, votes for No Lynch and talks about some mostly meaningless stuff such as “providing evidence he’s a wolf.” His interactions with other players are generally rather reserved. Jake doesn’t engage more deeply with anyone, he just kinda talks to people out of necessity – that’s the impression I get from reading his day 1 ISO.

@JakeTheWolfie

Also /vote Amelia

I think Hippo is a trustworthy source of information

Has been wolfreading Marshal all day basically and played the majority of the day as if he always wanted to lynch Marshal and was just toying with him. Here, he voteparks on Amelia and claims it’s because of Hippo in an attempt to shift the responsibility onto someone I read as a villager. I really don’t like this.

Jake never addresses the read change on Marshal. He just kinda drops the suspicion outside of the thread and changes the direction of his play for no apparent reason. This leap of progression is odd, considering he took his time with Marshal (he wrote circa 20-25 posts about him and interacted with him), but doesn’t take his time with Amelia (just kinda jumps on the wagon “because he can”).

Then he proceeds to screw around at EoD, voting several times for No Lynch and Amelia. Again, no explanation. This feels like a wolf happy about the wagons being on people outside of his buddies. From a villagery perspective, I have no clue what this is supposed to accomplish. The wolfread on Marshal apparently just… disappears. I don’t know whatever Marshal did to warrant the change, but it feels surreal.

@JakeTheWolfie

Counterpoint:

Marshal has risked a tie vote before (and lost, but still risked it)

SoD 2. This post suggests that Jake is still wolfreading Marshal. And yet he voted outside of the Marshal wagon for no reason. This makes them look like W/W, and the only reason I’m not saying that’s the case is because 1. lolpreflips and 2. Marshal has a decent chance of flipping town. Still, I don’t know what Jake is doing here. For some reason, Jake is afraid of voteparking on Marshal.

@JakeTheWolfie

Also I don’t have time to post my Eval of Katze’s ISO, but I find them towny.

Progression leap. Last time he talked about Katze, he had a wolflean. @JakeTheWolfie Thought process, please.

@JakeTheWolfie

/vote N

Let’s put more pressure on this slot until we puncture through skin

Jake was not interested in that slot whatsoever until this post. I don’t know why, honestly, and it’s not necessarily AI, but it’s something to consider. Distancing vote? A villager who genuinely didn’t think about this wagon?

Other takeaways from the ISO:

• Jake asks a ton of questions, but doesn’t commit to interactions and doesn’t give many thoughts of his own. The ones he does give out are frequently silly.

@JakeTheWolfie

If we tie votes between Marshal and No-Lynch, we would No-Lynch either way.

What even. It feels like he’s trying to confuse the thread and get people to answer questions he is not going to follow up upon. The guy has received plenty of responses to these questions, and yet they don’t seem to have influenced his reads or thought progression.

• The only wagons Jake has voted on are wagons which had already gained traction, and his thought process on these people is really difficult to follow. It’s like he doesn’t really care about the answers he receives, which is wolfy.
• Jake generally ignores wolfreads on him, and the only thing close to a defense he posted was a short message about always being wolfread. I’m not sure what this means, actually, just a takeaway.
• Jake brought up the possibility of the nightkill on Luxy meaning something.

@JakeTheWolfie

From this NKA, I can only presume that either:

Luxy was right
Luxy was way too off.

@JakeTheWolfie

Well, if Luxy was far too off, I think some people they cleared are deepwolves.

If Luxy was someone right, or om the right track, then we should probably look more closely at what they have to say.

The problem is that his thoughts about it don’t lead anywhere. He offers two possibilities without leaning either way or trying to explore them. Just like much of the rest of his play (asking a lot of questions, not committing to interactions), it feels like he is trying to appear as someone who is doing something . Except he is actually not doing much, and it is all a bunch of pretending.

Conclusion: I think Jake is probably a wolf. Can we get a wagon?

/vote JakeTheWolfie

@Vulgard

I neglected to mention that Jake’s progression on Marshal seems invisible. First he talks about Marshal as if he has no read, and sometime between that and his further mentions of Marshal, it suddenly shifts to a wolfread and he votes there. Then it shifts to something else again because he votes Amelia instead for no apparent reason.

This is not a villager’s progression to me. There’s no thought process, just senseless screwing around and voteparking on random people who may or may not be villagers. I feel like a slot like his – a wolfread slot – should be trying to do something. But Jake’s ISO made me believe he is just pretending to contribute.

And that’s wolfy.

[quote=“Vulgard, post:4701, topic:80627”]
If Marshal is a wolf (and yes, I do think this is still possible), Jake’s behavior around the wagons is unbelievably wolfy. It still looks bad if Marshal is a villager, but not as bad.

I haven’t quite analyzed all of the Amelia voters yet, even though I despite that wagon for what it was. Amelia was a trapped and possibly scared villager. The votes there were being cast too easily in great amounts, and I even pointed it out in the thread. I wasn’t around to stop it during last EoD, but I hope to influence this EoD at least.

@Possessed

@Possessed

Jake/Marshal is a long shot because I feel the tie vote means Marshal is town.
[/quote]

I think Jakes alignment heavily ties in with Marshals alignment.

I don’t really like this worldbuilding. Why can’t Jake be a wolf if Marshal is a villager?

@Vulgard

Jake can absolutely be a wolf with Marshal as villager. It would explain his screwing around at EoD – wagons were V/V and it was “whatever” from his perspective.

@Possessed

I think the vote is bad , but its hard to determine the intent of the vote without flips.

If Marshal is a wolf, it means that Jake was wolfreading his buddy all day only to votepark elsewhere – distancing. From the PoV of a villager, it means that Jake… I don’t know what it means if he’s a villager. There is no reason to randomly drop your read and vote Amelia. Jake didn’t even have a read on Amelia. He just randomly voted there and kept voting there. This is not villagery behavior. You vote your wolfread, not a random null, and if you changed your mind, you’d better post it there. It’s helpful.

If Marshal is a villager, it still shows that Jake does not care about his reads and has an invisible thought process. Both are wolfy regardless of how you slice it. Jake and Marshal don’t have to be W/W for Jake to be a wolf.

To sum up: the screwing around at EoD is bad regardless of wagons. If wagons were V/V, it means Jake had no reason to care and therefore was screwing around. If he was a villager who cared, he would probably be voting Marshal, his wolfread, over Amelia, his null. Right? Clearly his read on Marshal never changed, judging by his SoD2. And yet, he did not vote Marshal.

If wagons were V/W, it means Jake randomly voted the counterwagon to his partner, which… yeah, that one is pretty self-explanatory.

@Vulgard

I’m not going to evaluate Marshal’s side of Jake interactions until Marshal flips, because I don’t want to preflip anything. Regardless, I don’t think Jake has been playing like a villager, more like a performative wolf. His votes, noncommittal behavior, derailing the thread and asking dozens of questions with an invisible thought process (don’t you ask people questions to trigger a thought process??) all point to him being a wolf and not a villager. If he’s a villager, he’s not just against contributing to the game, he’s actively hindering his faction by messing around with no purpose. Not voting his wolfreads, not committing to anything, not trying to find the wolves. Just voting random people and nullreads with no explanation, and keeping his thought process hidden for no reason.

@Vulgard

In Clash of Cults, where Jake was a villager (and where I mislynched him), Jake’s point of view was clearly different. He actively made an effort to read people and committed to interactions much more, he wrote ISOs and voted his wolfreads. None of that is present in this game. Read his Clash of Cults ISO (it’s not very long) if you don’t believe me.

@Possessed

@Possessed

This is a bit world-build-y. Why does Jake have to be bussing here? Do you feel bussing is the optimal play?

Absolutely. A lot of people didn’t like what Marshal was doing. It’s only natural to bus if he looks like the day’s lynch. If Jake and Marshal are W/W, that was definitely the original play before Jake realized he could help save Marshal by voting on Amelia, which is why he did it. Except he did not know how to convincingly fake a thought process, so he just… didn’t have a thought process at all. Yup, I think that’s pretty much what happened if Jake/Marshal are W/W. Jake initially wanted to bus Marshal, then he realized he could save Marshal and ended up doing that instead.

The above train of thought applies if Marshal is a wolf. If Marshal is a villager, I’m thinking Jake hopped off his wagon to be a little safer, because I’m convinced that a Marshal V flip would make people much more inclined to read into his accusers (Marshal had many more interactions with living players than Amelia; people would be more inclined to read into the accusers). Or the wolfteam was trying to spread the votes around the wagons and Jake decided to be on Amelia, but that’s reading into it too much, I think. It’d require some quite good coordination from the wolves.

Either way, I can see several reasons why a wolf would be a doing what Jake is doing, and little to no reasons why a villager would.

@Possessed

Who is normally pretty good at reading Jake, Arete? I feel like maybe @Arete can help us out here.

Again, I don’t like the fact you are calling upon a person I wolfread to help you. But I’m probably just confbiasing myself here.

@Vulgard

Would rather flip Jake and see the flip before attempting to look for associations. Clearly, Arete is not getting lynched today despite my certainty about their tone not being their villager tone – which is why Jake is my only choice here, really.

@Vulgard

Is that what concerns you about my read instead of the fact I’m calling your play completely senseless if you are a villager?

This feels like a wolf caught for the wrong reasons. Well, one wrong reason, which is not even the foundation of my argument.

I won’t even bother to talk about the . If you are a villager, stop this instant and start doing things that will make me believe you are a villager.

@Vulgard

Get used to it, though.

Vulgard: takes an hour to write a case on Jake
Hours later: only voter on Jake

I’m just waiting for EoD to do stuff.

@Vulgard

Yeah, that’s a thing too. That’s why I generally wait to do stuff until more people are online; I wrote the case on Jake now because I had the ISO and conclusions in my head, I’d forget most of it later.

@Vulgard

Has anyone read my case on Jake? Why are you guys not voting there?

@Vulgard

I wrote an entire case detailing why Jake is a wolf and everyone just ignored it. Probably doesn’t happen to a villager.

@Vulgard

I’m saying I’m not voting you and encouraging a Jake vote. So.

@Vulgard

Can we CFD Jake or is that slot going to coast to LyLo?

@katze

@katze

jake is LHF

Jake has been actively trying to look villa.

@Vulgard

Katze, stop defending him, fuck’s sake.

@Vulgard

/vote katze Actually. Why are you not voting?

@katze

@katze

im tired of playing every game like a fucking pushover

Vote someone already.

@Vulgard

/vote eevee Screw it.

@Vulgard

At this point I’m only voting eevee so that N doesn’t get lynched.

It’s pretty obvious that if anyone would be threatened by Vulgard, it’d be Jake and possibly Katze a little, so I’ll look into that slot next. Godspeed to myself.

[Italy]

well eevee
this doesn’t look very good for you to be honest
loads revolver with killing intent

[Solic]

Can you give me some more time please?

[Italy]

i think ima shoot eevee

[katze]

• Arete NO POINT
• PoisonedSquid NO POINT
• Napoleon --> JaketheWolfie NO POINT
• SirDerpsAlot NO POINT
• Italy 2 POINTS (1 D1, 1 D2)
• katze 2 POINTS (1 D1, 1 N1)
• Emilia 1 POINT FROM D1 EVENT may have 2? probably
• Possessed NO POINT
• Solic 1 POINT FROM D1 EVENT may have 2? unlikely
• Eevee 1 POINT
• Icibalus NO POINTS? may have won the N2 event
• Hippolytus NO POINT

Arete can only talk in all caps
Squid has to refer to herself in the third person every post or something
Jake can’t use vowels
Derps can only use pictures
Possessed has a post limit
Hippo has to use emojis

Icibalus has no restriction and is not confirmed to have a point yet
eevee claims a restriction and is confirmed to have a point

[Italy]

we never figured out who won the D2 event
ici might be hiding his point because he fears death
or because he’s scum

[Emilia]

I think he changed his read on jake to town later but maybe that just my memory

[Emilia]

nvm he didnt