I have had to re-evaluate. On d1 I thought Kiro was town, on d1 I thought you were scum (wind), on d1 I thought cloned was scummy, so “you had me as a town d1” read doesn’t stick.
it isn’t just that you townread me d1
it’s that you’ve hardly mentioned me the entire game or scumread me anywhere else
On D1 you helped your co-scum with a townread lol.
I was an easy scumread and potential mislynch; we all know that.
A good setup for Kiro to continue pushing Cloned during D2 as a protective counterclaim.
omg i just realised today is the first day i’m actually gonna vote
At this point we know that Kiro is a wolf, so when you look at Kiro’s interactions you will find that he talked about/interacted with nearly everyone except Arctic. Like I am starting to think that Arctic has more experience than they let on originally. If you read Arctics d1 it’s full of casting shade and doubt on quite a few people and then dropping that shade entirely when it looks like they won’t be lynched.
d1 shade and doubt
(this here reminds me of TMI and anting to look productive)
On d2 their opening post was weird to say the least
Like this response to Silviu dying feels forced as hell
At this point Arctic pushes the most sus people at the time (likely hoping to get a mislynch)
This reaction to Min being killed at night seems like the perfect transition to get people to focus on the PRs and me (the bottom of Min’s readlist)
Wind brought up that Arctic pushing Kiro for several days proves his innocence, but here’s the deal. If you look at this he puts sus on the people endgaming and one of those 3 is the actual wolf. All he would have to do to win from here is hard bus Kiro (I will show how he does that) and push on the most sus out of me and worse (what he’s doing now)
hard bussing Kiro
He also instigates a PR conflict hoping to get one if not both of the PRs out via lynching
He also instigates the whole PR conflict and actually pushes to lynch both at some point.
Arctic instigating the PR conflict
yeah it was more of a memepost
clonedcheese:I think it’s pretty clear there’s no world where both of use are scum, meaning one of Appel/Gorta/kiro/Arctic/Worse is the last scum
I say we hunt there
why hunt for a wolf between 5 people when we can hunt between 2
even if go for one of the other 5 today, we are still going to go for you 2 at some point (basically the day after)
i don’t see a point in delaying the inevitable
when there is a confliction between the 2 PRs, having them around doesn’t really do much for us
how can we trust anything either of you two say when we know one of you is most likely scum
but as long as both PRs are alive neither can do anything
since we are almost certain one of you is fake and we don’t know which
…but if we know that one of you is fake and we don’t know who it is then isn’t both of your information in effect nullified?
yeah like gorta said, as long as both of you are alive any information you provide is useless
we know one of your information is true, but since we don’t know which we can’t just assume which one it is. therefore both are useless
and the main concern of this entire thing for me~
both of you have hardly pushed each other at all, like, literally not at all
you two seem too content with accepting that one of you was just framed rather than the other being scum
what if you are both scum doing a 500 iq play and trying to get us to go for the other 5 who are actually all town, in this case it would only require that one of you is a PR and the actual town PR hasn’t outted yet
I can see what you mean - if it’s impossible for both of you to be scum then that means out of the other 5 there is either 1-2 scum depending whether one or both of you are town
however, it’s much more likely that there is 1 scum out of you and we choose them correctly than it is we choose the 1/5 correctly, even though it is almost guaranteed that there is a wolf out of the other 5
so windward, if cloned is mafia you think the other is YBW, right?
if cloned isn’t mafia, which combinations of mafia out of the other 5 make the most sense to you?
oh yeah that’s a good point actually
if there’s another town PR you need to claim today
if another investigative PR outs i’d be pretty content in killing both of you
people need to not disregard the possibility of cloned being a mafia PR
anyway the main thing i picked up on from reading all this
if gorta was scum and knew cloned was doing an RT on windward, why would he push for a vote between those two if he knew neither was going to be lynched once clone came clean? it would make more sense for the mafia to be more reserved in that situation so as not to look suspicious once clone outted it was fake
unless, however, there really is a framer who was on windward and the mafia thought cloned would check them but it turned out cloned was protective. this would mean that mafia would likely push for a vote between these two
however this still doesn’t make sense with gorta being mafia, because as windward said he thought cloned was protective, so why would he frame windward instead of cloned?
i doubt you are mafia unless there’s another investigative PR claim. if there is then there’s no reason you can’t be mafia tracker. i remember you saying mafia tracker would be useless in this setup, but that’s not true - it can still find protective PRs before they out
as for cloned, atm i still think he could be scum especially with another PR protective claim (kiro) although i think it’s more likely that kiro, or neither of them are scum
then again what is the likelihood that we have 2 protective PRs?
there is no reason to think there is a framer anymore since cloned isn’t actually cop
oh yeah that’s a good point actually
if there’s another town PR you need to claim today
if another investigative PR outs i’d be pretty content in killing both of you
I think the most interesting thing to come out of that PR conflict was when Arctic encouraged Kiro to come out and “claim” , even going so far as to saying that he would be fine killing both Cloned and Wind if there was a third PR claim.
Arctic hedging/waddling on me vs Appel
so why did you not say Gorta/YBW are not W/W? bit of a contradiction here
and why do you even think that Gorta/YBW is unlikely?
so why would you not include Gorta/YBW here?
you said they were the least likely scumteam but when you said who aren’t wolves together you didn’t include Gorta/YBW
but in all seriousness i don’t know what to think about gorta
everything appel points out about the change of vote to silviu despite silviu being his highest townread is correct
i can’t tell if he was just a stupid town (like me hA)
Arctic:if gorta was scum and knew cloned was doing an RT on windward, why would he push for a vote between those two if he knew neither was going to be lynched once clone came clean? it would make more sense for the mafia to be more reserved in that situation so as not to look suspicious once clone outted it was fake
unless, however, there really is a framer who was on windward and the mafia thought cloned would check them but it turned out cloned was protective. this would mean that mafia would likely push for a vote between these two
however this still doesn’t make sense with gorta being mafia, because as windward said he thought cloned was protective, so why would he frame windward instead of cloned?
from this either way it doesn’t make sense for gorta to be scum
i honestly don’t know what to think about kiro
he seems to have this innocence about him that i can’t really explain but anyone could just as easily do this as mafia
like the way he seems genuinely worried about dying
i’ve read into this plan of yours and can get behind it mostly
however, what would you suggest that we do with today’s lynch? since you don’t want it to be any of you 3? that leaves me, appel, ybw and gorta
i feel like out of gorta and appel one is almost certainly mafia
i have to say i kinda agree with this
min and appel were fairly similar in terms of where people read them d1
so i was surprised they killed a newbie over appelhowever we did say that this may be because min’s reads were on-point with who is actually mafia
hmm you seem to have hopped on this train very quickly
the only reason i am not concerned by you following gorta here is the fact that i almost certainly know you and gorta aren’t both mafia from your push on him d1
and since you are willing to vote appel, that leaves the possible scum options for me as
appel and kiro (or cloned?)
gorta and kiro (or cloned?)
you and kiro (or cloned?)i just realised kiro appeared in all 3 of these lmao
but equally kiro could be the real PR and cloned could be the mafia PR
so i’m pretty sure out of gorta and appel there is a scum, and out of kiro and cloned there is a scum
definitely not kiro and cloned
what i meant is that kiro and cloned are interchangeable here
basically out of appel and gorta there is a scum
and out of kiro and cloned there is a scumthe only reason i don’t think you are scum atm is because the pairings don’t make much sense with you
Appel’s read on you has a lot of evidence and logic behind it. literally everything she says with quotes makes almost complete sense and i can’t help but be compelled by her argument on why you are scum
you on the other hand seem more like you’re desperate and grasping at straws rather than sounding logical. most of your comments are in short and don’t have much elaboration
like these spam posts seem a bit desperate
though i already explained why i think it’s unlikely for you to be scum and i can’t say the same for appel, let me find it
so you’re telling me that here it would make more sense for me to vote you over gorta since gorta apparently can’t be mafia unless i am? lol
The only reason I am not 100% happy to kill gorta rn is because as many of us have pointed out the scum team wouldn’t really make sense
Also, say out of gorta and appel we think there is a scum, who is the second?
And what if neither of them areI honestly think YBW is mafia at this point
Their reads are inconsistent and they have learnt nothing from D1 about jumping too quickly on trainswhat does everyone else think about YBW
because i’m really doubting either of kiro and cloned are scum and possibly even between appel and gorta
i just don’t know what to do
if it’s neither appel nor gorta and we kill both today and tomorrow we losebut then i also don’t want to lead a mislynch on ybw and screw us over
and tracker can’t really confirm everyone since the mafia PR doesn’t have to be shown as killing
cloned is the only person i can see being mafia with gorta
but unless cloned is the mafia PR who was on windward that’s not possiblewindward also isn’t mafia assuming we have at least 1 town investigative since no one has cc’ed
appel, you really aren’t making yourself look good right now
your entire push has fallen off a cliff from one of the strongest to one of the weakest
i think you realised that gorta wasn’t going to be killed because he has no likely teammates
so now you are just trying to throw the blame because you realised out of you two, you are probably the more likely kill at this point
what would be your thoughts on killing YBW right now?
at the moment i don’t really want to kill YBW
let’s assume that we mislynch todaythe worst person to mislynch would be YBW because if he flips town it tells us basically nothing
however, if appel flipped town then i would definitely start suspecting gorta again
not that i am saying YBW is town, he probably isn’t, but in the case that he is then we learn nothing
WindwardAway:Gorta/Kiro as w/w
i’ve never really understood why everyone thinks this, can you elaborate?
YoubutWorse:Do we still think one of the PRS are lying? We shouldn’t vote on that, but it should be important for tomorrow
if appel flips scum then from my POV this is the only possibility, so yes
i feel like if appel was really a wolf she would have kept up her push on gorta
giving up at the last second just seems a bit weak, like she is actual town and doesn’t want to cause a mislynchi legit can’t tell anymore
regardless of whether she’s town or mafia giving up like that was a really bad play and may cost us the game if she’s town
if the only thing stopping gorta being mafia is due to a scumteam not making sense, then we need to consider the possibility of some distancing going on, especially if appel flips town
something just doesn’t feel right about this
appel’s argument has been much stronger than gorta’s and i just feel guilty that the reason we are trusting gorta over her is because ‘it doesn’t make sense for gorta to be scum with anyone’
i already said this but why would appel just give up like that if she were mafia, it would seem like a very easy mislynch opportunity to continue pushing and get gorta killed
plus if she were mafia i doubt she would have randomly accused me and YBW, that just seems like a death sentence
unfortunately i have nothing better to suggest
i’m staying with my opinion that appel had a stronger argument because she was actually pushing gorta for acting anti-town
gorta’s push mainly involves countering appel’s push on him and from stuff on other games which most of us here can’t really get behind, rather than actually pushing appel because he had a scumread
the only scumread gorta actually had on appel before appel started pushing him was ‘appel is a slippery wolf’
it mainly just seems like a defensive response
of course
jfci read her ISO in corrupt votes
kiro i think you should make your vote intention clear as soon as possible
we don’t want another last second fuck-up
these quotes are both from appel’s scum game in corrupt votes
Arete ily but
If you’re not a wolf
I’ll be really sadthis seems really similar to that post appel made saying how she would scream at gorta after the game if he were town, and she was scum here
Going by math, if Gorta is scum here, we still have a chance if both me and Cloned vote Gorta or you. And at this point, I think I’m comfortable going with you.
Screw it, I want you all to go sleep. It’s 1AM, nerds.
/vote Arete @Zone_Q11 @CRichard564
the abruptness of this post seems like the abruptness that appel just used now in her last post
i can’t find the quote that was similar in this game about her being mad at gorta if he flipped town
but i’m certain it was pretty similar to the one from that game
but why gorta over appel
surely we were preparing to vote appel for the past couple hours
no, because he referenced a 2v1 he means that we kill gorta first and then appel
If you go back and look at the whole thing with me and Appel he acts like he suspects the one most likely to get lynched at that time and even clears me completely (only to push me again today).
WindwardAway:Gorta/Kiro as w/w
i’ve never really understood why everyone thinks this, can you elaborate?
He even says that he doesn’t understand why everyone thinks me/Kiro are w/w, which was when he thought people would be willing to vote up Worse next.
pushing Worse
anyway i gotta go sleep
it makes more sense for it to be ybw and kiro socially
but as you say idk how likely it is for 2 newbie scum
from your post the only ‘other maf’ could be gorta from your POV
but you didn’t say gorta
wonder why?
your story poses both me and wind as town yet you refer to the second mafia as ‘other mafia’ rather than simply gorta because that’s the only person it can be from the logic of this post
but from your story of what you think may have happened this is impossible, so why refer to the second mafia as ‘other mafia’ rather than just gorta?
i think what’s happening here is that you were trying to soft defend kiro at the start of D3 but after you realised him being lynched is inevitable you’re now trying to hop on the train of killing him and throw the sus around
Most people have had you on the bottom of their readlist for understandable reasons
You were very quick to switch from gorta to appel and most of the time you haven’t showed any independence and just voted with everyone else
As Wind said, your first independent act was voting on appel (who was town…) which is a bit concerning at this point in the game
He spends the whole day pushing worse, but when the support for a Worse lynch isn’t there he moves on to the other sus person (me). I am always a designated mislynch here and he anticipates that the mob will follow his words.
Arctic's case on me
yeah it’s gorta and kiro i’ll explain why in a sec
YBW has been pushing on both gorta and kiro the entire game - he literally can’t be scum with either of them unless it was a 500 IQ distancing push on kiro because he knew that he could get away with throwing sus on kiro without him actualy getting lynched, which until now would be correct. But I really doubt this from a new player
since at this point we almost 100% know Kiro is scum, and YBW has been scumreading kiro the most out of anyone the entire game, I’m pretty confident at this point it’s kiro and gorta
but then i saw this
gg boys we solved the game /s
newbies unite
the only thing i really need to do now is iso gorta
i could try iso’ing kiro but i already said i don’t understand 90% of his posts and he’s pretty much lockscum at this point anywaywindward is basically confirmed town since i doubt we would have 1 town PR and no investigative
plus even if they weren’t PR (well if they weren’t PR they would have been lynched D1 but that’s not the point lol), after D2 i have to say windward slowly went from the bottom of my list to the top alongside appel because of her attitude and appeal for most of this game (excluding D1 lol - but i really do think her lead on silviu was misguided and hopping on that train was a newbie mistake)
the issue is YBW is new, so i highly doubt he would do something like this with the confidence he has been
plus, what is the likelihood the mods chose 2 new players to be mafia
well you see that’s the issue
i don’t think YBW has been very ‘good’ (sorry)
after you, he has been acting the scummiest out of everyonebut i am lucky to know it’s very unlikely to be him because of the way he’s spoken about you and kiro
well you see that’s the issue
after we kill kiro today and then you kill wind at night i’m gonna have to defend myself
i was wondering why you didn’t start pushing me yet since you are going to have to at some point lol
since YBW has been very slippery i think gorta will find it easier to convince him
plus he needs to kill you anyway because you will probably track him
alternatively he’ll kill no one but i doubt that for the same reason
He does everything he can to shade me. There is a reason he focused more on getting Appel out first. Appel would have an easier time here and would likely be able to out argue Arctic, but the most notible quotes are there
well you see that’s the issue
after we kill kiro today and then you kill wind at night i’m gonna have to defend myself
i was wondering why you didn’t start pushing me yet since you are going to have to at some point lol
He starts to project his own likely plan onto me here to make me look worse than I already look. He also does something similar to wind as well, except he uses that moment to frame me.
since YBW has been very slippery i think gorta will find it easier to convince him
plus he needs to kill you anyway because you will probably track him
alternatively he’ll kill no one but i doubt that for the same reason
again he tries to project his own plans on me
TL;DR: if you read his ISO you can see it’s full of shade, projection, planned actions, flip flopping, and agenda
I am always a designated mislynch here and he anticipates that the mob will follow his words.
Gonna be completely honest and say, if you’re actual town, you should have stopped being an easy mislynch a while ago. Give me some time to reply later to your ISO because I have Thanksgiving stuff to do.
well, its a bit late for that then
TL;DR: if you read his ISO you can see it’s full of shade, projection, planned actions, flip flopping, and agenda
you also have done literally all of this?
Gonna be completely honest and say, if you’re actual town, you should have stopped being an easy mislynch a while ago. Give me some time to reply later to your ISO because I have Thanksgiving stuff to do.
I am a detective not a smooth talker and for that reason I often get scum read. I want you to actually consider what I am saying
you also have done literally all of this?
Read my thing on Artic
In my last 5 games a few of them I ended up lynched by d3 because someone said “gorta not town” or “my soulread says gorta scum”, so I am still a very easy mislynch
In one of those games I was vigged because the person holding the gun didn’t think I was town (and I was town)
I do have experience, but I was only ever towncored once in my time on this site for legitimate plays (and not scum elevating my position in the town)
Read my thing on Artic
I did. I still think you’re scum.
Arctic:well you see that’s the issue
after we kill kiro today and then you kill wind at night i’m gonna have to defend myself
i was wondering why you didn’t start pushing me yet since you are going to have to at some point lol
He starts to project his own likely plan onto me here to make me look worse than I already look. He also does something similar to wind as well, except he uses that moment to frame me.
A lot of your projection doesn’t make sense. I had already reached the same conclusion, which was that you were going to push Arctic because I was easier to convince. You’ve also stated before that you were sus of me, and that you townread arctic, so I dont know why you would think its arctic over me now?
Artic had a very towny d1. That’s one of my d1 reads I still feel confident in, so I don’t think Artic is a wolf here
Like I am starting to think that Arctic has more experience than they let on originally
i’ve never played forum mafia before
i’d consider lying about experience to be angleshooting and i’m not about that
At this point Arctic pushes the most sus people at the time (likely hoping to get a mislynch)
…i was called out for doing this when it was extremely likely windward wasn’t going to be lynched anyway so this makes no sense
i’m making sure people aren’t forgotten about from previous plays that could implicate them
He also instigates a PR conflict hoping to get one if not both of the PRs out via lynching
that’s one way of interpreting it
my aim was to make sure all possibilities are covered on a basis of what’s most likely
of course i’m going to say that it’s possible for the 2 PR claims to be fake if there are others
i highly doubted the existence of a framer and i was correct
admittedly i didn’t consider the possibility of it being an RT, which would mean that of course both could be town (and were)
pushes to lynch both at some point.
i never pushed to lynch both - i considered the possibility of both being mafia
even going so far as to saying that he would be fine killing both Cloned and Wind if there was a third PR claim
you missed a key part here - investigative PR, which we had no other claims of
If you go back and look at the whole thing with me and Appel he acts like he suspects the one most likely to get lynched at that time and even clears me completely (only to push me again today).
this is just outright false
i suspected you more than appel the entire day and was the least on board with killing appel
i remeber mentioning appel’s argument was more logically sound, whereas for you i remember saying it was unlikely for you to be scum because of a previous mistake you had made. i never ‘cleared you completely’
He even says that he doesn’t understand why everyone thinks me/Kiro are w/w, which was when he thought people would be willing to vote up Worse next.
why would you be against someone questioning why you are scum and being open to possibilities? lol?
He spends the whole day pushing worse, but when the support for a Worse lynch isn’t there he moves on to the other sus person (me). I am always a designated mislynch here and he anticipates that the mob will follow his words.
if you were ‘always the designated mislynch’ wouldn’t it have made more sense to push you from the get go rather than YBW - all that would have accomplished for me as scum was reducing trust
There is a reason he focused more on getting Appel out first.
last time i checked that was you… not me
now are you gonna respond to my post or what?
I dont know why you would think its arctic over me now?
you said it yourself lol
he knows you’ll be easier to convince than me
by the way things are going, looks like me and arctic will be heading to the final 4
If we had a vig in this game, I guarantee we already would’ve seen you flip lol.
Here’s the thing - you did an awful lot of quoting Arctic, but you didn’t write much more in your ISO of him than you did in the Appel framing, either. It was all quotes and “evidence” but not much talk. You literally haven’t scumread Arctic until this point, while Arctic has scumread everyone and waited for us to basically redeem ourselves enough to move off his scum list. That still doesn’t look like a scum move to me.
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