SFoL 64 - Anonymous FoL - Day 6 - The Possessor, Inquisitor, and Fool are victorious!

[Ivo_Wake]

Not really unless Alice is a god like deep wolf.

I pretty much trust alice here but I guess we do need to keep a close eye on their tone for conversion

[Alice_Alard]

@Sarah_Lacey

@Alice_Alard

I also think Andy is spewed town from Helen.

Can you speak a little more on this

Sure.

Let me paraphrase what I said in allies regarding them.
The other two players I will get more into later. I’d like content from them first.

I believe Helen’s end-of-day ISO on Andy spews him as non-cult. The conclusion they came to does not match the analysis they provided. Along with this, they were oddly confident in Andy being town, but the reasoning they used was very weak. They said multiple times that Prince had flawed logic in their push on Andy, but they themself had very flawed logic in their defense of him.
It very much seemed like TMI’ing Andy as town - likely for credit after a townflip

[Sarah_Lacey]

Are their reasons for you to doubt it was townreading a fellow scumteam member?

[Ivo_Wake]

I think has Gilbert is bountied they are a obvious vote target for today. Of course we should vote them up with like 10-6 hours left because I’m pretty sure nobles don’t extend the day

[Alice_Alard]

Also:

@Arete

N1: track Andy - visited Lucy

If Andy is a wolf, they are NK in most worlds.
I think Observer would see Cult Leader visit both the attack & conversion target.

@Sarah_Lacey

Are their reasons for you to doubt it was townreading a fellow scumteam member?

I felt a distinct lack of confidence from Helen throughout the majority of the day, and I think it is very bold of them to do this if they are a wolf.
To me, it felt more like TMI’ing Andy as town, rather than hard-defending a scumbud when they were under extreme pressure from being top wagon, and being suspected by a majority of the court.
You’re right that it could be, but I also have been trending Andy up slightly if you read my EoD wall on him.
I’m by no means locktowning Andy, especially in a game with conversion, but I don’t want to lynch him today.

[Alice_Alard]

Ivo you’re going to run out of likes and the day just started.

[Ivo_Wake]

Like comment and subscribe hit that bell button.

[Ivo_Wake]

Andy could be the n1 convert I guess? which would be awful and make no sense from a scum Pov imo

[Ivo_Wake]

As it’s a cult game converts are important to knock out sadly.

[Edmond_Bailey]

quick thing: don’t make me king
i would be awful at that, i’m not the town leader type in the slightest just don’t do it.
i apologize again for my lack of activity D2, i was dealing with irl medical issues.

[Ivo_Wake]

Yeah I agree no offense (I just don’t think you’d strongly lead, me neither I just don’t have a choice in being prince) you’d have to step up anyway

[Jane_Drayton]

Anyway, time to make a small deduction before I truly went to sleep.

Geoffrey couldn’t be the starting CL/NK here as they were jailed by Ivo during N1, and they can’t be the convert as I assume that Helen is the RC here. So unless Geoffrey somehow got converted N2, or Helen is the convert target and Geoffrey is the RC, then Geoffrey is pretty much confirmed-ish.

[Sarah_Lacey]

@Jane_Drayton

RC

what does this mean

[Ivo_Wake]

Geoffrey is pretty claim (mech wise anyway).

[Jane_Drayton]

Random cult.

[Ivo_Wake]

I’m think cult Leader was occupied n2 as they lose their occ immunity after first convert right?

[Edmond_Bailey]

i take no offense to this in the slightest!
(…because it’s true)

[Emma_Maison]

54 posts is really not much to work with over 2 days.

@Sarah_Lacey

TL;DR:

1. I think Thomas is town, but they’re being excessively annoying. I do not disagree to this slot dying if they do not improve; they’re anti-town regardless of their role.
2. I like Alice for her principles, and the response to Gilbert showed her experience.
3. Not many other notable people imo, although it may be due to me not being able remember any of the others’ names…

Time to ignore Thomas after this:

@Thomas_Scott

d1 is for memeing

You know the best way to meme d1?
SHUT UP .
Walk away from your device and do things that do not annoy others.

I do not have a strong opinion about this opener. It’s about Thomas. So many posts on day 1 were about Thomas, they are starting to meld together into a shapeless mass of nothingness.

@Sarah_Lacey

I find this odd, because the question was directed toward Nick rather than Ivo. The question asked why Nicolas SL’ed the target (forgot who it was) for being frustrated at Thomas, but Ivo answered it in the first person while not addressing the key part of the question.

Either they’re that bad at reading english, or I think that they are answering for someone else, suggesting a scumteam.

Time for more reads!

I don’t like how Sarah’s first read seems to be a preflip associative read. At least she did not try to push it, but it is not the best start.

[quote=“Sarah_Lacey, post:1478, topic:83777”]
Wow I’m so slow at reading

Let me quickly respond to Geoffrey before EoD:

[quote=“Geoffrey_Bailey, post:1433, topic:83777”]

@Sarah_Lacey

I like Alice for her principles, and the response to Gilbert showed her experience.
[/quote]

again same as before, but I want Sarah to explain how experience translates into towniness

Well ok I might just be using English bad here.
I liked Alice as a player and thought that we should be keeping them alive for some time because of their experience, and they seemed towny enough because they were . In my experience and in the things I’ve been told, experienced players should be kept alive until determined otherwise through mech.

[quote=“Geoffrey_Bailey, post:1433, topic:83777”]

@Sarah_Lacey

I don’t necessarily agree with Alice’s post here, but I think I can guess that they might be one of the more experienced players. They have their own standards, and evaluate others based on those criterias.

Into the towncore you go!
[/quote]

I think the progression on Alice here is terrible. Like it goes from memes to “yup, that’s towncore”.

Similarly here, I used “towncore” in the terms of “not really sure about their alignment but I think we want to keep them alive”
on second thought maybe I shouldn’t bother others for their english

@Sarah_Lacey

I’m starting to doubt my townread on this

I also want to know how you went from this

@Geoffrey_Bailey

@Sarah_Lacey

I think Thomas is town, but they’re being excessively annoying. I do not disagree to this slot dying if they do not improve; they’re anti-town regardless of their role.
[/quote]

to this
like the progression here doesn’t make any sense if these are serious reads

The first one was the joke-ish.
Still leaning him V but I still really don’t like them as a person.

Catching up is hard - sorry!
Will hopefully post what I have before EoD

Is it just me, or does this entire post manage to say nothing despite using many words?
Because that is the impression I get, and it is not a positive impression.

@Sarah_Lacey

I really dont like this.
Textbook case of pocketing, when criticized on their reads Isabel went “Yeah this is probably villager”

readlist coming next post.

…This was about Isabel, right? That is how I read the post. I thought it was about Alice for a moment.

@Sarah_Lacey

Lucy - good behavior all around, from responses to Thomas to responses on reads. Helpful townie.
Alice - helpful with reads, experienced player we should listen to while actively mechsolving them
Thomas ( grumble grumble )

Top scum, in order:
Isabel
Not much reading after that ._.

Not the most independent reads. This was the general consensus at the time, perhaps except for Isabel.

So far, the ISO is not actively scummy, but there are some outlying negatives.

@Sarah_Lacey

Things to note:

1. Alice a little bit curious with her reads
2. Isabel conforming

I’m not sure if I believe this is written in good faith.

@Sarah_Lacey

I enjoy how all of Alice’s “readlists” have ended with a W-Lean up until this point

The reasoning for the reads is Thomas interactions + appearing to be performative (at least from what I can read). If I try really hard I can understand where Alice is coming from, but they do seem very finger-pointy over smaller things…

Not that I intend to whiteknight Alice, but this post comes across as… odd. An attempt to discredit Alice for an uncertain reason. This isn’t a scumread, it’s not shade, it looks to me like subtle manipulation. “Alice is doing certain suspicious things. I am not calling her mafia, but be wary of her.”

@Sarah_Lacey

Hi
I’m just going to say that Thomas is blatantly lying

We’ll go over how I can/cannot prove this later in the day, let’s discuss something outside of me/Thomas

More Thomas discussion. Seems to take the accusation quite seriously despite it coming from Thomas 1, who really should have been ignored this game as soon as he opened his mouth.

@Sarah_Lacey

I think we have our noot, since I did nothing of the sort last night

@Sarah_Lacey

One of Thomas’s posts

I think we have our fool here - @Prince can you jailexe this tonight?

Thanks

@Sarah_Lacey

I’m just going to say that Thomas is blatantly lying

We’ll go over how I can/cannot prove this later in the day, let’s discuss something outside of me/Thomas

@Sarah_Lacey

1. Them wanting to get lynched “so that they can prove Alice + me scum” is extremely indicative of Mask of Many Faces
2. Thomas has shown indiscriminant trolling since the game started
3. I can prove myself

Let’s stop discussing this please

Sarah really wants to prove her innocence. Despite the fact the accusation had come from an untrustworthy source, Sarah still considered it important enough to defend herself from, even multiple times. This could be indicative of mafia defensiveness. That said, it’s not the strongest reason to suspect Sarah, and a townie could be defensive, too. For… other reasons.

@Sarah_Lacey

@Thomas_The_Second

I don’t want a repeat of FoL30 tbh, so if Ivo isn’t the actual Prince the real Prince should just nip this shit in the bud.

Rolefishing

…Someone said this before me, but that was not an example of rolefishing. Thomas 2 was saying that Ivo should be executed by the true Prince if Ivo is fakeclaiming Prince. Thomas 2 did not request the true Prince to out themselves.

@Sarah_Lacey

@Thomas_The_Second

Also not liking how Jane has basically just been in the sidelines here.

Picking on inactives. 2 Egregious things, Thomas moves further up the scumlist even after getting replaced.

I’m not sure why Sarah got so worked up over Thomas 2’s “picking on inactives,” considering the fact she had not talked about Jane at all. Why does Sarah care?

It’s possible that she’s projecting, and the reason she complains about Thomas’ pushes here is that she is rather inactive herself and does not want to become a target.

But that’s my theory.

@Sarah_Lacey

@Peter_Carew

the previous owner bountied Thomas Scott last night

I think I like this claim!
Only comes from townies who have genuinely not read the thread

…I don’t know why Sarah seems to think this. Why exactly is that the case? Anyone could easily fake targeting Thomas with no pushback, because he annoyed everyone and nobody would find targeting him suspicious.

@Sarah_Lacey

@Isabel_Savage

GTH Alice calling out my read on Emma as “too quick” makes more sense coming from a villager than a wolf.

Instantly conforming to reads, signs of UTR scum.

@Isabel_Savage

So far Alice, Emma and Alan are my top town reads.

Townreads king without proof

Sarah’s accusations baffle me, because I don’t understand how they are supposed to work. I don’t agree with any of the logic she uses for her assertons.

@Sarah_Lacey

Conforming to a scumread on self - extremely bad look. This is not the behavior of someone who is not afraid of scumreads.

-1 brownie point for Peter and Mary respectively.

I actually liked this post initially. Upon re-reading, I still like it. A little.
Peter is someone I definitely still think could be mafia.

@Sarah_Lacey

The way they phrased it seemed genuine. Pretty much it.

This explanation does not cut it for me. Pretty much it.

@Sarah_Lacey

@Alan_Atlee

I want nobody else to protect him so that way it can test which King I am.

This is just a confession, isn’t it?
It’s blatantly asking “Hey scum come kill the Prince because my cover’s already blown”

@Alan_Atlee

If scum think I am scum, they will take a stab at Ivo

Which results in a dead Prince, which is nowhere close to the importance of lightly confirming the king.

This is actually entirely correct. The problem is that it is mechanical, which means it could easily come from either alignment.

I agree with the content, though. I don’t have the slightest idea what Alan was thinking.

@Sarah_Lacey

Dislike on Isabel.
Their first action D2 was hypothesize that it was a 2-for-1 and softing that they were not the killer, because they were roleblocked.

Feels like NK with RB immune.

This post is an example of neutral hunting. I don’t like this example of neutral hunting. Why can’t Isabel be groupscum?

Conclusion: There are multiple questionable things in this ISO, up to and including strange discrediting and neutral hunting. Many of the posts have struck me as very safe, not stirring the pot too much. Sarah has mostly been sticking to the sidelines and not really doing anything of note. When she did take action, it was either something I did not agree with or something I failed to understand.

I’m experiencing strong dissonance with this slot. I think they have been trying to stick under the radar, and since Sarah isn’t the Prince, one of the most notable reasons why someone would do this as BD is gone. I think Sarah is mafia who has been trying to stay undetected by slipping through the cracks and not writing anything controversial that would get her questioned. The closest thing to a questionable idea within her ISO is the solid scumread on Isabel, but that is about it. It has not been pushed enough by her to become notable, and she has not contributed to the discussion very much.

Overall, this does not look like BD trying to solve the game. This looks like mafia trying to fit in and pretend they are solving the game.

Firmly in PoE for voting today.

[Ivo_Wake]

Nah I respect it I’m glad you are fine about it aslong as you can do your best that’s all I can ask

[Emma_Maison]

@Alice_Alard

@Arete

N1: track Andy - visited Lucy

If Andy is a wolf, they are NK in most worlds.
I think Observer would see Cult Leader visit both the attack & conversion target.

This is true. And considering the fact I still scumread Andy independently, that could be exactly it.

@Alice_Alard

I felt a distinct lack of confidence from Helen throughout the majority of the day, and I think it is very bold of them to do this if they are a wolf.
To me , it felt more like TMI’ing Andy as town, rather than hard-defending a scumbud when they were under extreme pressure from being top wagon, and being suspected by a majority of the court.
You’re right that it could be, but I also have been trending Andy up slightly if you read my EoD wall on him.
I’m by no means locktowning Andy, especially in a game with conversion, but I don’t want to lynch him today.

I understand where you’re coming from, and I agree. I’ll re-read Helen for spew in a few moments.
I doubt I will find much, considering she hasn’t done much of anything, but maybe.

Considering she’s been unimpressive throughout the game, I’m assuming she isn’t the n1 convert unless the mafia wanted her to go under the radar. For the sake of caution, I will separate her ISO into “day 1” and “day 2.”

The way she reacted to my push on her was an overwhelming disappointment, come to think of it. She just folded and froze completely. I’m still annoyed we didn’t have the opportunity to lynch someone yesterday.