SFoL 64 - Anonymous FoL - Day 6 - The Possessor, Inquisitor, and Fool are victorious!

[Nicolas_Adams]

to be fair, I think my initial suspicion on them is entirely sheeping alice.

I just did a bit of homework before I voted (literally and metaphorically)

[Ivo_Wake]

@Alice_Alard

/vote Ivo_Wake
Feel free to join me if you like. I did some thinking while I was away, and I’m fine with a vote here, for some undisclosed reasons.

Did alice ever explain this?

[Edmond_Bailey]

@Jane_Drayton

Well well well, seems like the peace has finally returned to this society.

But well, honestly in my mind, I didn’t really know why there was a sudden flash wagon for Ivo, but…meh.

In truth though, I didn’t really like Geoffrey’s post at the end of D1…It just feels kinda lacking to me,

I will /vote Ivo_Wake over here first, as he could potentially be a deep wolf or power wolf, and well, I didn’t really know if I really misread him.

just from looking at this now, i don’t like it. why call ivo a power wolf if they had been hedging so much, goading thomas on, and talking at people rather than to them?
not to mention the fact that looking for deepwolves D2 is far from the best move and will likely end up lynching a towny this early.

[Isabel_Savage]

@Ivo_Wake

I felt like Isabel would benefit from some early day pressure but were leaning town for me.

Yes I was town leaning you D1.
I re read your ISO earlier D2 and I thought it seemed incoherent and reachy with your reads.
I reevaluted you to a null read because I thought something about your ISO didn’t add up.
It’s on me for not trusting my town lean on you as much as I should have.
I owe you an apology for this misunderstanding.

[Andy_Bernard]

Catch up stuff that I probably should’ve posted a while ago, but I got distracted with other stuff. I thought there would be more for me to comment on, but most of it I didn’t feel the need to comment on.

Summary

@Alice_Alard

@Andy_Bernard

This post was fine and kinda pointless, but this part of it was kinda bad in my opinion. You shouldn’t be thinking someone is wolf for heavily disagreeing with you. Townies don’t always think alike.

I was quite literally admitting that what I did was bad.
I moved Gilbert up in this same post as I noticed my bias.
Also what makes you view this post as pointless, if I may ask?

@Alan_Atlee

I am gonna say it now without mincing my words.
I did not do allies last night as I had planned to be on for the later parts of the day but passed out due to a lack of sleep.

I can only apologise for that.
I did, however, perform my swear fealty at least.

Bruh…

I must have missed the part where you admitted what you did was bad then. I found it pointless because it was just random arguing with someone else over Thomas.

@Alice_Alard

@Andy_Bernard

@Mary_Savill

This is just…Disgusting. I regret joining this game.
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@Alan_Atlee

It really is. Once this game ends I will admit rn my view on whoever Thomas is will change.

^

Do you get anything AI out of these? Or do you just agree.

I just like these posts. Nothing really AI out of these.

@Alice_Alard

@Andy_Bernard

We probably shouldn’t be really reading anything from Thomas interactions. All of us don’t like him very much and aren’t very big fans.

Disagree. I don’t think this particular read from Emma was good, but I don’t think we should outright ignore Thomas interactions. Frustration and anger can be faked easily, but it’s sometimes good to try to see who was giving into chaos and unnecessary interactions when they could be solving and being proactive.
(You also interacted with Thomas a bunch, so this gives me bad vibes. Feels like you’re inadvertently saying “please ignore my talk to/about Thomas”)

What I’m trying to say here is that the individual interactions with Thomas shouldn’t be really looked too much. These one on one interactions with Thomas are obvoiusly always gonna result in Thomas saying stupid stuff. However, I’m not saying that it’s wrong to think someone is scum because their whole ISO is just Thomas interactions

@Alan_Atlee

This is a good point, I could have done that but alas hindsight is 50/50.
I chose a good SF target imo but knowing my luck it will be seen as bad.

This posts is kinda odd. It’s giving me weird vibes. Allies is a day ability, and SF is a night ability, so why is he trying to use SF as an excuse for not allying?

@Alan_Atlee

Thomas I do not trust you anywhere near as far as I can throw you.
But, if you start acting seriously, maybe we can take what you say seriously.

These types of post telling Thomas to actually try are becoming pointless fluff. I will admit, I have made a couple of these before, but at this point, we all should know by now that he ain’t gonna listen.

@Sarah_Lacey

@Edmond_Bailey

i would really like to trust this and i’d like to see what Sarah has to say here

I mean
I can claim
Although I woud not like to
Because that would be a stupid thing to do

I wouldn’t claim. You aren’t really under a lot of pressure and I don’t think people are gonna vote you.

@Alan_Atlee

It is happening to me too but honestly at this point Sarah and Thomas are thunderdomed and this is a free opportunity to get rid of a headache from the thread.

Post is kinda bad. He’s showing intentions of wanting Thomas off, yet no voting him.

@Gilbert_Lovell

@Ivo_Wake

Kpn isn’t reliable enough to determine scum by many factors

it is very good for this case

Not really. Cult and Unseen have been made to have similar KPN if specific classes spawn, so juding it on KPN isn’t very accurate. We should probably know if it’s Cult or Unseen by what scum flip.

@Sarah_Lacey

Hi
I’m just going to say that Thomas is blatantly lying

We’ll go over how I can/cannot prove this later in the day, let’s discuss something outside of me/Thomas

You probably shouldn’t out the fact that you can prove yourself… narrows down the certain classes you can be, which isn’t really… good.

This response seems odd even if Sarah is a PR, though. Sarah really goes out of her way to defend herself against an accusation from Thomas of all people.

@Ivo_Wake

I think @Geoffrey_Bailey is a great starting push.

/Vote Geoffrey anyways I’lllikely go into more detaillater (dw I’m just on mobile rn and it’s a lot harder to be in gamer mode)

/vote Geoffrey_Bailey I wanted to do this at the start of the day, but I came here late. I have my own reasons, but I would love to hear yours, since I didn’t consider you particularly towny at the end of yesterday.

@Alan_Atlee

It is happening to me too but honestly at this point Sarah and Thomas are thunderdomed and this is a free opportunity to get rid of a headache from the thread.

I do not believe this post was written in good faith. Why? Because the idea behind it seems to be “kill one of Thomas or Sarah, they are thunderdomed and it will kill discussion.” The problem with that is that they could both be town. It’s possible, and Alan is not doing himself any favors by deciding to focus on them instead of finding the mafia outside of these two.

@Alan_Atlee

I am going to state this for the record.

I am going to struggle to have any respect for you after this game Thomas, no matter what happens due to how you have constantly acted and I know I am not the only one who feels this way.
And if you are BD which is not Observer then you will rue the decisions you have made this game.

I do not like the fact Alan returns to the Thomas discussion with even more disrespect directed at Thomas. We get it. Nobody likes what Thomas is doing. Expressing that so loudly at the start of day 2 does not accomplish anything more. It simply looks performative.

@Ivo_Wake

WHY CAN I STILL SEE THEM POST???

Please I’ve had enough if this shit

Ivo is doing the same thing here, but it has more emotion packed into it. I grow tired of this. Just don’t mention Thomas unless it helps you read someone.

I actually really like this post.
It’s direct, explained and very well phrased.
Definitely give Emma a lot of town points.

@Alice_Alard

Doubt Susan and Lucy were killed for reads since they were n1 bops.

This is probably true. Or well, that’s what I believe. Except for Susan, not very sure about why Susan was killed.

@Thomas_The_Second

Plus, in general his progression on my slot looks like it went from seeing me as an easily townread to an easy PL with putting the NE excuse when the slot would flip town.

Probs just calling it a day and slotting Nicholas as a legit Obs here.

You can’t really deny it though that Thomas reeked of NE. Also reading your previous slot as town… was kinda… hard to see really.

@Edmond_Bailey

i see your redcheck, and i believe it in part because i had already townread you and scumread andy. before i throw a vote there though, i’d like to see andy’s response and gauge it.
another thing to note: we have a redcheck, and a good one at that.

however
we in no situation should immediately go “oh ok lynch this now” and quickhammer.

Maybe I’m being a little biased (since the redcheck was on me), but I think this is pretty good towny post. Scum I think here would take the opportunity to vote out other scum not part of their alignment.

@Thomas_The_Second

Plus, in general his progression on my slot looks like it went from seeing me as an easily townread to an easy PL with putting the NE excuse when the slot would flip town.

@Thomas_The_Second

I’m more party to Andy being Princed since we have mech info on them so we can double up on executions without worrying about the Prince losing axes.

This is a little ehh… it contradicts. But I guess in my case, there was mech info.

@Isabel_Savage

Obviously whoever was occupied/jailed is never NK/Assassin as there were 2 deaths last night.

Half of the NKs have occupy immunity, so this doesn’t really work.

[Andy_Bernard]

Also I see that the Prince has claimed… which is definitely not good for us.

[Nicolas_Adams]

Like, “deep wolf” and “power wolf” are buzz words that people use, but they aren’t at all what we were thinking pushing Ivo.

My inner tinfoil hat is telling me that jane was tmi’ing ivo’s actions as towny, since deepwolf and powerwolf both refer to townread players

[Nicolas_Adams]

Doesn’t jail bypass occ immunity?

[Ivo_Wake]

Nah it’s my fault for being pushed early if I was literally one vote less I’d likely rather defend myself socially but when you wake up to check your phone and you’re still half asleep and see 5 votes on you as prince it’s like “Oh shit wtf is going on”

[Andy_Bernard]

Yes?
Why are you asking this?

[Thomas_The_Second]

@Nicolas_Adams

Like, “deep wolf” and “power wolf” are buzz words that people use, but they aren’t at all what we were thinking pushing Ivo.

Most people here have no idea how to deepwolf or powerwolf and just go UTR, so shrug.

[Edmond_Bailey]

this is what i was thinking but you went more into depth on why exactly i didn’t like the phrase deepwolf being used there.
yeah, i’m most definitely slapping a solid townread on you.

[Ivo_Wake]

Actually would have been better outing later then I did for better reads now

[Thomas_The_Second]

…also is anyone else SR’ing Gilbert?

[Edmond_Bailey]

it would’ve been better for you to not out at all imo.
sadly, nothing we can do now but bitch about it (of which i’ve done my fair share).

[Thomas_The_Second]

Like his posts have been fairly wolfy and it’s not just because of the low volume of content, there’s no mechanics on his side unlike Geoff, and while I was pushing him the thread flow went to Ivo and is now going to Jane.

[Ivo_Wake]

@Nicolas_Adams

I just quickly iso’d Ivo, and I’m not really sure why I TR’d them before.

They seem to be talking at the thread, there’s no interactions or conversations, just spoilered iso’s, readslists, and complaining about thomas v1.

The way they aren’t interacting with people feels like they’re trying to look like their solving but don’t care much about what they are.

Read the last part why would town try to care too much about solving much based on themselves instead of focusing on contributing to the town and having a better awareness about the game

Can you actually say you went through my Isos with honestly with actual honesty and just say I was talking only really about Tomas and that was my only interaction.

Lastly whats wrong with me making reads on players when I go through their Isos it’s not just to lightly take a small peak and make a gut read it’s to give my actual thoughts and start a dialog with players.

[Andy_Bernard]

Imma go look at some ISOs now or something.
My reads aren’t very that good so far and they’re mostly very sheepy.
Plus these default names are messing up my perception on things

[Nicolas_Adams]

@Andy_Bernard

@Isabel_Savage

Obviously whoever was occupied/jailed is never NK/Assassin as there were 2 deaths last night.

Half of the NKs have occupy immunity, so this doesn’t really work.

If someone was jailed, then it would work the way isabel described

[Edmond_Bailey]

i had seen it as a talking point, though now i’m going to iso him again and see if i can point these things out as well.