SFoL 64 - Anonymous FoL - Day 6 - The Possessor, Inquisitor, and Fool are victorious!

[Ivo_Wake]

I do see andy flip town here just I trust mary more.

Honestly it might be safer for me to execute Peter as I can see this as a weird play from a Ne to get prince to waste exes

Im a little flip floppy on this but it practically has the same results

[Alice_Alard]

Time to analyze the one person Emma didn’t make a post on in regards to Helen interactions.
I will quote all posts to/about Helen, even if I view them as NAI.
This is (to the best of my ability) ignoring how I view Emma individually.

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

thomas is ignored

Please tell me how to do this, that would be extremely helpful.

@Emma_Maison

Thank you. No town points for that, but at least you saved me a hassle.

NAI interaction.

@Emma_Maison

While I am grateful to Helen for showing me how to ignore people, her entire ISO is five Thomas-related posts and nothing else.
However, the first post about Thomas looks rather… creative for a wolf. I am referring to the post with the images. Absolutely not something Helen should be cleared for, but just like with Edmond, it puts Helen slightly above null for me.

Her first post about Helen contains horrible reasoning to put someone above the null-line, but I feel it fair to chalk this up to early-game gutreads, as there wasn’t a lot else to go off of.
This also isn’t a read you can keep up for very long. A partner would look for more solid reasoning to put their buddy in townleans, yet this is the only place where Emma says something positive about Helen.

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

they analyze things.

I would expect every single townie to have “analyzed things” before this day ends. It’s a bare minimum anyone should be able to reach, no matter the accuracy of their reads, or their ability to wax poetic about their understanding of the game.

In other words, I encourage every other townie to build their own worldview and compare it with the worldviews of others. Only then will we be able to create the proverbial box. I don’t expect it to be entirely accurate as early as day 1, but it is a good starting point, and objectively always better than nothing.

@Emma_Maison

@Geoffrey_Bailey

If you don’t improve dramatically I want to see you dead by the end of the day

Why not just vote there and force Helen to do something?

I’d do it myself, but I’m still catching up.

A great post. She actively scumreads Geoffrey, and this reads as incredibly genuine. She is seemingly testing whether or not Geoffrey will actually follow through with this, and this almost feels like… taunting? Baiting? I can’t find the correct word, but I can feel the suspicion that Emma felt when writing this.
She herself follows up with a vote on Helen a little bit later.

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

i have read the thread

currently ISOing people with low posts

I heard the same claim before from Geoffrey, and I scumread Geoffrey.
I would like you to do something that requires more effort. Anyone can read lowposters. There isn’t much to read, which means there isn’t much to fabricate and make mistakes in.

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

side note, who are y’all SR/SLing so i can provide my takes on them

Helen, who do you trust? Who are your townreads?

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

hedge 1000

most of content focused on thomas the 1st
scumlean

Ivo’s readlist having people written down as “helpful” is as simplistic a townread as it gets. Which makes it easy to fake. And it’s being used on multiple people.

I’m losing faith in Ivo very quickly. Not like I had much faith in him to begin with.

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

/unvote

whoops

Helen has just been floating and not doing much of anything.

@Emma_Maison

/vote Helen_Harte

She has been floating like a balloon. Her only push today was on the Prince, and even then it was mostly sheeping.

@Emma_Maison

@Isabel_Savage

Anyway I think we should wagon any one Lucy the dead CW hasn’t town read.

/vote Helen

I suddenly feel uneasy about voting on this wagon. Isabel, why do you think Lucy was killed for her reads (specifically her townreads), and not just because she was a town captain?

@Emma_Maison

Town:

Ivo
Nicolas
Alice
Edmond

Townlean:

Mary

Mafia lean:

Helen

Mafia:

Andy
Alan

@Emma_Maison

@Isabel_Savage

If you read what I said earlier, Lucy was killed for being obvious town and I’m pretty sure one of the slots they scum read either killed them directly, or if group scum got their partner to do the deed.

Scum usually prefer to keep people who town read them for later and kill anyone who suspects them.

I see.

@Isabel_Savage

Emma does this answer your question?

It’s sufficient.

Helen has fewer posts than both hosts combined. It’s worse than I first thought.

In all fairness, the same thing applies to Mary.

@Emma_Maison

@Emma_Maison

Helen has fewer posts than both hosts combined. It’s worse than I first thought.

In all fairness, the same thing applies to Mary.

The reason I keep bringing this up is twofold.

1. I want Mary and Helen to start doing something meaningful.
2. I want other people to start considering the alignment of these two, since I haven’t seen these two names appear in accusations too frequently.

I very much like this post. If Emma were Helen’s partner, she could have let Helen go UTR, and hopped onto a different wagon quite easily. Instead, Emma brings attention to Helen as someone who has not been under enough scrutiny for their behavior.

@Emma_Maison

Helen is literally not doing anything. It’s the most cop-out lynch I could imagine.
But I also think it’s likely to hit a mafioso.

Then again, I would rather lynch Alan today if people are not opposed to the idea of killing the King, or Andy for blatantly lying about not realizing Thomas has been replaced (as well as being tracked to the nightkill, and being underwhelming analysis-wise, etc., etc.).

I have about as many mafia reads as townreads, and I’ll try to fix that by the end of today.

@Emma_Maison

Adding Peter to my mafia list. It currently contains five people.

Alan
Andy
Geoffrey
Helen
Peter

@Emma_Maison

The hosts combined have more posts than Helen does.
I feel comfortable keeping my vote there.

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

inhale

ree
i should probably be ISOing people so i don’t get forced replaced
let me go do that

@Helen_Harte

…yes?

@Emma_Maison

Oh, nothing. Just bolding something a few people might find… interesting, in a way.

@Emma_Maison

The wagon on Helen is definitely good, though. Keep it there.

@Helen_Harte

now im motivated

So, does most of your motivation in this game come from being wagoned? You never claimed to be motivated before, and you did not come across as such, so that is where this leads me.

I realize that saying this is unfair to you, but I now have expectations for you to prove your motivation.

First, I’d like to hear your opinion about the other wagoned player before end of day, whenever the end of day is.

@Emma_Maison

Alright, that’s good. I should be able to respond to Peter, try to finish my read on him by reading his wallpost, then analyze Jane and determine if I want to vote her out today.

For now, I’m staying on Helen. The floor is yours.

The Grand Trial took place after this, and Emma moved their “spiritual vote” to Gilbert.

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

wow

that’s…
wow that was a short grand trial

You said you were motivated to post more, and better. Where are those “better” posts? Where is “more?”
You have disappointed me.

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

i was mowing the lawn at the time of EoD

and was alsoop before then

You said you were about to contribute more to the game, and then you just dipped. I don’t think I buy your excuses anymore.

@Emma_Maison

@Helen_Harte

who’s getting executed

Are you saying this because you want your vote to be on the top wagon? Or are you curious if your mafia partners are being targeted by town-motivated wagons?

I realize there were no wagons at the time you wrote this post, because of the awful GT, but this post still pings me the wrong way. Unfortunately, I could see it come from a townie as well, but since your slot has been unimpressive throughout the game, including broken promises and sparse analysis… you keep on dwindling within my readlist.

@Emma_Maison

Well, well. Looks like the person frozen at EoD was indeed mafia. What a surprise.

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Emma has far and away the most content on Helen out of anyone else in the thread.
A few posts give me pause, such as where Emma said they would rather lynch Alan over Helen, and the fact that Emma attempted to move their vote to Gilbert during the Grand Trial. But in all fairness, there was so much time left in the day, and we have no clue how EoD wagons would pan out. It’s possible that Emma would have jumped back onto Helen.

Regardless
They were the main proponent for a Helen lynch, and constantly applied pressure to the slot.
If not for Emma’s constant prodding and questioning, I doubt Helen would have frozen up.
She brought attention to Helen’s lack of content and the fact that Helen was sidelining for quite some time. If Emma were Helen’s partner, she could very easily have allowed Helen to continue with this behavior.
If this is distancing, Emma went all in - with the goal to get Helen to flip.
As one of the strongest voices in the thread, Emma could likely push any angle she wanted in regards to the d2 wagons, and she chose to aggressively pursue Helen over anyone else.
Along with this, the reaction Helen had to Emma’s push was to completely freeze over rather than confront her attacker. This feels more like a wolf who is scared to interact with Emma (or the court in general), because of pressure, than a wolf who is partaking in theatrics to distance.

TLDR:
I don’t see Emma as a likely partner as of d2, simply based on interactions, unless it is extremely aggressive bussing.

[Alice_Alard]

I agree with all of Emma’s assessments of Helen interactions.
I thought I’d have more to say on them, but I actually don’t. I feel as if I was reading all of my own thoughts, but they weren’t written by me.

[Alice_Alard]

@Andy_Bernard

I want Mary to answer all of these questions, and I don’t want to see answers like: “Meh, idk what I was thinking”
Anyways
/vote Mary
I know she’s lying anyways

I have to say, this post from you feels extremely confident, and you make some valid points that I find myself agreeing with, which is giving me pause on the situation.
The overall tone feels rather genuine, and I’m now very interested in what Mary will have to say.
Before commenting on it more, I’m going to wait for her responses.

[Geoffrey_Bailey]

I’ll be back to do more in a bit. I still have to look at the top posters, which is hell and I am lazy.

[Isabel_Savage]

I was hoping Gilbert was scum there.
The fact that they weren’t partnered with Helen by lack of associations should have been a warning sign then.
Still at least we confirm Jane was starting Noble.

[Isabel_Savage]

Time to /vote Peter.

[Alice_Alard]

@katze

Edmond voted Peter before this VC.

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Anyways I think either one of Peter or Andy is a fairly safe Prince axe.

Though if I’m being honest,
I feel more inclined to flip Andy today and allow Peter to be chopped.
Andy makes valid points regarding Mary, and their post feels incredibly genuine, which is giving me some doubts and making me wonder if we should risk the Prince yeet, though I still think they have high wolf equity. I just think Peter’s is higher.
If Andy flips town, Mary can be dealt with overnight by killers/offensives.
Peter can just die. They’re just a frozen wolf imo

Thoughts?
Especially @Ivo_Wake

[katze]

votecount

Vote target	Voted by	Votes
Peter_Carew	Alice_Alard, Ivo_Wake, Edmond_Bailey, Isabel_Savage	4/7
Mary_Savill	Andy_Bernard	1/7
Not Voting	Peter_Carew, Sarah_Lacey, Jane_Drayton, Geoffrey_Bailey, Mary_Savill, Emma_Maison, Thomas_The_Second	7

[Isabel_Savage]

We’re still eliminating both Andy or Peter today and whoever isn’t executed out of the two gets chopped by the Prince…
The only thing that’s in question is how each of them are going out of the game.

[Isabel_Savage]

According to the class cards, the only class that can be converted to the Cabalist is the Alchemist.
Yet it’s most likely Helen was starting 2nd cultist, which means Mary can only be convert if they are cult.

[Ivo_Wake]

I kinda doubt mary was the n1 convert I guess I could tinfoil NE.

[Ivo_Wake]

Meh just exe peter here and I jail andy pretty simple.

I’m not going to play passive so sorry if I kill bd here we lose if we don’t play strongly.

[katze]

Peter_Carew has replaced in for Peter_Carew

no replacey discussy

[Peter_Carew]

Heyo, I haven’t really read anything ill get to that soon

but has my slot claimed yet?

[Isabel_Savage]

Your slot has claimed noble.

[Peter_Carew]

Have they claimed the bounty today or nah

[Isabel_Savage]

I think your slot claimed to bounty Jane. Who was just confirmed now with their bounty on Gilbert activating.

[Peter_Carew]

Lit

I haven’t read cult classes

Im like 80% sure cult can bounty tho?

[Isabel_Savage]

Only if they have an Apostle either starting and chose noble abilities.
Or converted from starting Noble.