SFoL 64: Duel of the Juggernauts discussion and balance thread

The idea was that you’d be discouraged from doing that shit at random, because these two have really good passives, but yup, it kinda breaks the classes. I’ll write an addendum which prevents that from happening.

remove passives
Hey I’m Arbiter lmao

Also made it impossible to remove the Elder’s passives, because it kinda breaks the class as well. Makes them join the pack, which is lol.

Makes them join the pack, then leave the pack again. Peak comedy, but a bad mechanic.

Can I have original HoB Emperor and Unseen Emperor class cards here? I’ll try to figure out the Kings.

The Righteous Emperor :shield:

Hand of Byzantium Special
Dynastic Cycle (Passive) - If you die, there will be a vote held to crown the next Emperor. If you are executed for treason your first accuser will die alongside you.
Head of State (Passive) - Your vote for treason counts as two. You may use both your day abilities at once.
Audience (Day) - Select up to three players. They will be able to speak in an Imperial Chat with you tonight. - Infinite uses
Sword of Damocles (Day) - If nobody hits majority by the end of the day, then the player with the most votes will be executed. - One use
Praetorian Guard (Night) - Sends a guard to a player. They will be immune to death tonight. - 3 uses
Imperial Advisers (Night) - Sends an adviser to a player. They will be immune to conversions for the night. - 3 uses

The Corrupt Emperor :shield:

Unseen Special
Dynastic Cycle (Passive) - If you die, there will be a vote held to crown the next Emperor.
Head of State (Passive) - Your vote for treason counts as two. You may use both your day abilities at once.
Audience (Day) - Select up to three players. They will be able to speak in an Imperial Chat with you tonight. - Infinite uses
Sword of Damocles (Day) - If nobody hits majority by the end of the day, then the player with the most votes will be executed. - One use
Assassin’s Brotherhood (Night) - Sends an assassin to a player. This attack does not count as a visit and cannot be stopped, if a Coroner checks the cause of death by this attack then it will show up as killed by an Assassin. Can only be used on the second night or after that you are crowned. - One use
Conspiracy (Night) - Permanently makes a player be seen as a member of the Hand of Byzantium to faction checks. - 2 uses

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The Righteous King :shield:

Hand of Byzantium Special
Dynastic Cycle (Passive) - If you die, there will be a vote held to crown the next King. The vote will begin on the day immediately after you died.
Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two. You may use both day abilities at once.
Audience (Day) - Select up to four players. They will be able to speak in a Royal Chat with you tonight. At the end of the night, all players except you will be removed from the chat.
Sword of Damocles (Day) - If nobody hits majority by the end of the day, the player with the most votes will be executed. (1 use)
Royal Guard (Night) - Send a guard to a player. They will be night immune tonight. You can target yourself. (3 uses)
Royal Advisors (Night) - Send an advisor to a player. If they are visited by the Syndicate tonight, you will be informed. (3 uses)
Defeat the Syndicate.

The Prophetic King :shield:

Hand of Byzantium Special
Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two. You may use both day abilities at once. If you die, there will be a vote held to crown the next King. The vote will begin on the day immediately after you died. Additionally, at the start of each day, you will learn which Reshape Reality effect the Syndicate used last night, if any. Revealing this information within the thread will count as a claim, should the Syndicate notice it.
Tenacity (Passive) - You are occupation and redirection immune both at night and during the day. You may also use both night abilities at the same time. However, if it ever becomes known what class you are (either by you claiming, or another person claiming for you, or by other means) and the Syndicate notices it in their factional chat, all protective abilities from that point forward will no longer work on you and all attacks against you will bypass occupation and redirection. It does not matter where the claim is noticed.
Audience (Day) - Select up to four players. They will be able to speak in a Royal Chat with you tonight. At the end of the night, all players except you will be removed from the chat.
Sword of Damocles (Day) - If nobody hits majority by the end of the day, the player with the most votes will be executed. (1 use)
Royal Judgment (Night) - Learn if a player is a member of the Syndicate. If they are, you will attack them as well. The attack is regular and does not bypass immunities.
Royal Providence (Night) - Heal a player, removing bleeding effects and/or poison and preventing them from dying tonight.
Defeat the Syndicate.
Crowns from Arbiter.

The Purified King :shield:

Hand of Byzantium Special
Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two. You may use both day abilities at once. If you die, there will be a vote held to crown the next King. The vote will begin on the day immediately after you died. Additionally, you retain the Circle of Worship passive and all of the current Worshipper neighborhood chat members retain the benefits of the neighborhood.
Tenacity (Passive) - You are occupation and redirection immune both at night and during the day. You may also use both night abilities at the same time. However, if it ever becomes known what class you are (either by you claiming, or another person claiming for you, or by other means) and the Syndicate notices it in their factional chat, all protective abilities from that point forward will no longer work on you and all attacks against you will bypass occupation and redirection. It does not matter where the claim is noticed.
Invite to Sermons (Day) - Choose a player. At the start of the night, they will be added to the Worshipper neighborhood chat.
Cherished Blessing (Day) - All members of the Worshipper neighborhood will be immune to the Syndicate’s day actions today. (2 uses)
Sword of Damocles (Day) - If nobody hits majority by the end of the day, the player with the most votes will be executed. (1 use)
Royal Invitation (Night) - Choose a player. At the start of the coming day, they will be added to the Worshipper neighborhood chat. (3 uses)
Channel the Fallen (Night) - Choose a night ability of a dead Hand of Byzantium member. You may use it on any eligible target tonight and it will count as a visit of the dead player instead of yours. However, you cannot use the same player’s ability more than once.
Defeat the Syndicate.
Crowns from Priestess.

The Divine King :shield:

Syndicate Special
Dynastic Cycle (Passive) - If you die, there will be a vote held to crown the next King. The vote will begin on the day immediately after you died.
Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two. You may use both day abilities at once. You are informed about Reshape Reality actions whenever they take effect.
Audience (Day) - Select up to four players. They will be able to speak in a Royal Chat with you tonight. At the end of the night, all players except you will be removed from the chat, and all living Syndicate members who are in the factional chat together will gain access to it. However, nobody will be allowed to post anything there.
Sword of Damocles (Day) - If nobody hits majority by the end of the day, the player with the most votes will be executed. (1 use)
Syndicate’s Guard (Night) - Send a guard to a player. They will be night immune tonight. You can target yourself. (3 uses)
Conspiracy (Night) - Remove a player’s immunities for tonight, if they have any. (2 uses)
Defeat the Hand of Byzantium.

The Elder King :shield:

Syndicate Special
Dynastic Cycle (Passive) - If you die, there will be a vote held to crown the next King. The vote will begin on the day immediately after you died.
Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two. You may use all three day abilities at once. You are informed about Reshape Reality actions whenever they take effect.
Audience (Day) - Select up to four players. They will be able to speak in a Royal Chat with you tonight. At the end of the night, all players except you will be removed from the chat.
Sword of Damocles (Day) - If nobody hits majority by the end of the day, the player with the most votes will be executed. (1 use)
Second Wind (Conditional Day/Night) - Choose any ability of a dead Syndicate member. If you are using Second Wind during the day, you may choose a day ability; if you are using it during the night, you may choose a night ability. After choosing the ability, use it on any eligible target/targets of your choice. You may only use each ability once per game. This ability never counts as a visit.
Syndicate’s Guard (Night) - Send a guard to a player. They will be night immune tonight. You can target yourself. (3 uses)
Conspiracy (Night) - Remove a player’s immunities for tonight, if they have any. (2 uses)
Defeat the Hand of Byzantium.
Crowns from Elder.

I tried to make electing the town PRs controversial decisions with both pros and cons. For instance, an elected Priestess can’t use Audience, and it could out her to the wolves. An elected Arbiter can’t guard and can’t see the Syndicate’s visits, which could out him to the wolves.

I think the names work, too. I shuffled things around a bit, but I think everything is functional all in all and nothing contradicts anything else I’ve written before.

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I feel like adding one more class, a Social, but I have no idea if we need it / what type of class it should be. Any ideas?

Looking at the HoB socials, I think Magistrate could be a lot less confirmable if it had some things changed about it

The Magistrate :shield:

Hand of Byzantium Social
Royal Blood (Passive) - Your votes for Emperor will count twice.
Prestige (Passive) - Only up to two classes with Prestige can spawn the entire game.
Judicial Decree (Day) - Resets the votes, allowing only you and your target to be put on trial for today. - 2 uses
Disenfranchise (Night) - Silently reduces the amount of votes required to execute a target by one. - Infinite uses
Impeach (Night) - Kills the Emperor and automatically takes their place, becoming a Righteous Emperor. Cannot be used until the third night. - 1 uses

Disenfranchise is risky to accurately prove by itself
Impeach can have the “take throne if you successfully kill King” part removed to be less confirmable
Judicial Decree… hmm

also delete prestige from it

An innocent child miller.

the thing is
what is the point
disenfranchise has minimal impact in a game this size

gladiate is an instaconfirm and impeach is the only ability that kinda makes sense but is also instaconfirmable

Good point… and this is the least confirmable of the HoB socials besides coroner, wow

so what is role list

27er
1 of each syndicate (5 main pack, 1 lost wolf)
21 hob
including 1 arbiter and 1 priestess

what about starting king

election day 1 i think
or day 2

unless we want a potential syndicate king to spawn