…I absolutely abhor this post.
This is overblown, I’m SR’ing you as so far I haven’t seen much villagery thought from you. You’re not my top SR, but if you keep at this way then you may end up becoming it.
…it’s a multiball.
Why even post this? Fair chance that Insanity’s BD/HoB and Sulit or Whysper may be the other faction, and there’s also the King that’s a LW.
Summary
Real talk, though, I’m getting Alice and Zone’s pfps mixed up
Solve by mechanics. A lot of time he just doesn’t bother to play the games he signs up for.
Wheee ISO time!!!
start- 7:40p
pause- 11:30p
resume- 11:45p
finish- probably a lot later 12:50a
gosh did I really just spend 5 hours of my life on this?
an_gorta_pratai
W/W should be fine until we know if one is BD or HoB, but then we should be more specific determining if something is BD/BD or HoB/HoB
A lot of mech talk, not much reading, just kinda coasting so far
Vulgard:why are you playing like chloe 2
I do want to make reads, but I felt the need to ask that question. If you read my posts I have said that I think social reads are the way to go, so I was questioning why we should just mech clear people at the drop of a hat
Vulgard:i don’t find the act of asking questions wolfy by itself but when it’s all you’re doing then something is wrong because you’re not reaching any conclusions yourself and you’re not showing any thought process
I was sleeping and I haven’t just asked questions. If you look at my ISO (it’s very short) I have also made suggestions and done a few things
heh, responds to above. I don’t think the response clears them from the suspicion in any way.
Vulgard:okay this is going to be troublesome because the replacement most likely has different thoughts regardless of their alignment
but Sulit replacing in doesn’t change that slot’s alignment, so we shouldn’t ignore Chloe’s posts
yet again, talking about “what town should do”. This sort of talk is really easy for scum and a bit of a red flag for me.
Don’t accuse high posters of being a wolf just because they have a higher post could and are good and don’t clear low posters just for being inactive.
ugh even more of it. They aren’t solving, they’re talking about “good play”. Like that stuff’s important if people are driving the gamestate into a wall, but they aren’t even trying to read the people who are doing this.
Scumlean - a lot of mech/“good play” talk, literally no reading going on.
Light
Main thoughts:
I’m liking Chloe for trying to keep the thread on track so far, trying not to concentrate too hard on the bleed
Also, the bleed: Very quickly in the game. If it’s real, I’m going to say that it’s NAI whatsoever, as it is a multiball. Odds are that Vulgard is town, but I could say that about every single person here.
Leafia, I will need to see a bit more of before I can really be sure of anything. She has a reputation of being very wolfy in all of her games, even when town. I do not like the self-meta, though.
I do not see any reason why Intensify expressing doubt on the bleed is AI, and definitely not to the degree of voting them (from Vulgard).
Italy is being… oddly active. Other people may know their activity tells better than I do, but I’m pretty sure that them participating is scum indicative.
Making reads in their poener, me likey
I don’t remember much of Soul’s posts. He was pushing Leafia, I think?
I agree, vanity wagons are actually pretty good at this point in the game. Pressure on lowposters is something I encourage, actually.
These look like actual thoughts
ash4fun: Cheeki2:I am not going to townread someone off of useless drabble. SDA refusing to actually contribute to the games he plays in is NAI. I haven’t seen anything particularly indicative out of him either thusfar. Once I am given something AI, I will start to read him.
Last two sentences are okay by themselves but I really don’t like them combined with the second…
Gosh, that sentence again. I’m sorry. I don’t know the right word. SDA regularly… doesn’t commit to reading the OPs? It’s just escaping me and I don’t know why.
rereading this makes a lot more sense in context
TBE is bullying me
Being serious, though, I don’t like how ash entirely ignored me asking him why I’m one of his greatest scumreads.
I like this thought, also I def never explained this. I did a 3v3 when I had 2 people below null. So that little sentence issue (which you have cleared up for me now) made a good 3rd
No more quotey, but I think the rest of this iso looks alright.
Townlean - lotta good stuff near the beginning, nothing to change it later. They don’t have the same issues as with homestuck.
Vulgard
ehhh, I’m not gonna quote posts unless it’s a shorter iso
Townread - I can see their thought process on just about everything, and they feel the same as joat^2
~~Chloe~~ -> sulit
So I’m just gonna sheep vulgard’s read here about what chloe’s looking for:
joat^2
I suppose I should broaden my view and look at players outside of Leafia.
The Katze/Sulit exchange makes me think that they are not a scum team, because the exchange is just too weird to start out like that if that makes sense? I don’t see them planning that out like that. I would like more of an explanation on Sulit’s part of the townread if that was legit.
I dislike the idea of Wolf/Wolf reads this early. I think we should be focusing on indivudual levels of wolfiness, at least until we have votes, and other mechanics to work with.
I also believe “if that makes sense?” is an interesting phrase to use alongside a Wolf/Wolf read, as it implies they cannot explain it fully.So far I am a pretty big fan of sulit’s tone in thread. She seems to have this almost concealed confidence about her. On first glance, it seems like she’s just having fun in thread, but in a few of her posts, I see a subtle side come out that I think is a really good look!
Reading through this large post, I find myself agreeing with CatLover. I would love if someone with knowledge of Sulit’s meta would chime in and tell us if her opener is anything of value.
Not sure what my take is on Sulit and Catlover is right now, but I’ll have my eye on both of them. Could they both be groupscum? Possibly. Could they both be town? Also possible.
What is this post actually trying to accomplish? “Could they both be groupscum? Possibly. Could they both be town? Also possible.”. What does that actually say about our alignments? How does a post like this help to advance the gamestate?
Unless this is some sort of read where you think sulit and I are aligned, I see no reason for this post to exist.
CatLover had the same thoughts as I at this moment. They beat me to the punch. I quite like this player so far as we have very similar takes on the game.
I have to return to work now, as my lunch break is over.
town chloe actually reaches conclusions on at least a few people’s alignments early
which is natural if you want to actually solve
she also finds villagers Chloe: TheBlueElixir:Made(mostly) before i got my classcard. I know like half of the people in this game are only putting in half effort but I wanna win this one.
Nobody is going to read this, minus like
three people N.1:Thank you all once again, and let’s have some fun.
same as above
Vulgard:senpai
wolf
TheBlueElixir:
just keep postingare you sandbagging this game?
gross post
Vulgard:what the actual fuck i have just been bled
dont ignore vul just because he claimed bled, thanks
not gunna have mechanics fuck up this game
N.1:Vulgard >rand V
he’s incredibly popular on all fronts, even on the front of being bled, he’s less likely than others i know to attempt gigamind reaction tests extremely early, and well he could be the other wolf faction because multiball, but eh.
This is really gross
Its so early, why are we doing this so early N.1:he could be the other wolf faction
Also this is weird
Why not say “Vul could still be a wolf here” rather than “the other wolf faction”
You don’t think the bleed came from town ever ? Leafia:Reading someone town because they got bled is literally the wolfiest play I’ve ever seen on this site. Are you a wolf N.1?
First post is a read and a vote
I don’t like it. TheBlueElixir:/vote chloe
post
bro leave me alone im eating a donut
A. Shit is going too fast for me. Can people stop posting one-liners, please
B. I’m eating breakfast and have the mental capacity of my sister atm, so dont expect any refined thoughts. thanks/vote Leafia
Chloe: Vulgard:/vote Chloe
this is not omgus
how could it be omgus if i wasnt pushing you
nerd Italy:vulgard getting bled is certainly
either fake or there’s a scum that vul has a godread on
I actually think i might have an aneurysm if this entire SoD becomes talk about Vul’s bleed
There is zero point speculating on it imo
Bleeds are delayed deaths, and it isnt even guaranteed that Vul is bledNot only do we give scum the chaos they want from discussing mechanics, but its also slightly pre-flippy territory anytime we make a read based around a bleed
I just think its dumb
Vul can make reads regarding his bleed since he has TMI that its real (if it is), but I don’t think theres much reason for any of us to
Just clogs shit Leafia:Not sure why you’re voting me here. I’d like to hear your thought process. If it’s because my first post was a read and a vote, then why are you doing the same thing?
Leafia:I’d also like to hear your reasoning for voting Chloe please.
Leafia:That actually makes a lot of sense. Let’s see where a Chloe wagon takes us. /vote Chloe
Ngl i voted you just to see how you would react
I didn’t really care about your first post, I just find it easier to gauge your alignment after a little oomphAlso this reaction is weird as fuck, but its getting into meta-read territory, which I don’t want to do a lot
Something feels off - your sheep vote rather than straight-up OMGUS is… not what I’d expect from you
I’m keeping an eye on you Vulgard:the longer version is that her first post is a bunch of questions and questioning people posting early reads as if it’s always a wolfy thing to do
Excuse you
Chloe:tencharacters
this was my first post ):<
clonedcheese:wolves wouldn’t buddy buddy like this 10 mins into game
W/W (or the opposite) reads early on are stupid. I don’t think this is AI of you, I just think its stupid.
Leafia:What the heck are you trying to do? Get serious and stop with these theatrics if you’re town.
Leafia:What you’re doing now is ww. I can only think that it has to be an RT, because no wolf in their right mind would be acting the way that you’re acting right now. Sadly, I think this kind of behavior of yours likely comes from a v doing an RT.
These posts look weird as fuck and I almost want to call them TMI, but its hella early for that
I think its odd that she immediately goes the “villager doing an RT” route
Same feeling as when she asked for Vul’s reason for voting me, rather than voting me herselfA lot of this is meta
I’m gunna try to shut up on the meta now Leafia:Seriously? Everyone, get your votes off me now! If I was a wolf, don’t you think I would’ve OMGUSED at least once by now!?! I’ll be expecting an apology from every villager pushing me right now post game. We’re literally less than an hour into the game! You can’t form accurate reads this fast! Now stop it!
Oh fuck self-meta already
Did i already find a wolfthis chloe does not find villagers
this chloe’s thoughts also seem to focus on wolfy actions rather than wolfy players if that makes sense Chloe: Centuries:godspeed d1 reads
I don’t like this post lmao
Creating a naked readslist because you were given very slight pressure toReadslists are fluff unless they have reasonings behind every placement
So give your reasonings, or I’m considering this a waste of a post EliThePsycho:it’s basically OMGUS from what i’ve seen so far
Which parts ping you as OMGUS?
It seems like you hopped on the Leafia train just because other people were focusing on her Frostwolf103:Totally not pocketing you or anything
Jokey self-awareness. Dislike the feeling I get from this.
she’s selectively pointing out wolfy stuff about player after player all the time
Chloe:Soulshade feels genuine. They’re actively explaining why what Leafia is doing is scummy rather than just sheepin’. I like.
What i don’t like is all the one-liners.
and when there is a townread it’s either not very developed or expressed with doubt
Scumread - Not making townreads the way they do as town. (also me = )
Intensify
whoop already did this one:
Intensify:Hmm a bleed right now I quite odd.
language here feels kinda hedgy
Intensify:Right anyways
Back on topic.I wanna discuss this bleed of Vully’s…
I don’t believe it at all Intensify:Excatly, who the hell bleeds someone 10 minutes in so wastefully anyways? Bleeds are very important here and I really don’t believe scum are dumb enough to waste a bleed 10 minutes in.
Intensify:Hmm
I still find the bleed quite odd tbh Intensify:Hmm
Yeh I don’t trust Vully at all. Intensify:This bleed is so odd, and Vully is voting me because I don’t trust it I think, seems suspicious to me.
I wasn’t even reading Vul as wolf, I just thought the bleed was fake.
/vote Vully
This progression just sucks, it looks like they found something that was plausibly pushable, and just decided to call it scum.
like, even that last post alone they’re like, “I’m not actually reading this wolf, I just want to vote it” Intensify:The bleed is completely NAI yes, but the way Vully reacted to me not believing the bleed claim is odd
This feels like a pivot. started with bad reason, found better reason, ditched old reason.
Intensify:I believe Leafia is town, people are scumleaning them too easily for making posts that I think townleafia would make
This post is better, idk if W!intensify TR’s LHF like this.
Intensify:Ok on second thought, I was finding Leafia to be not so susp, but then now… uhhh they’re kinda making themselves seem susp
Intensify: Leafia:I don’t know if you’re trying to pocket me or what but thanks either way.
Leafia question for you, why did you think me, out of the people would attempt to pocket you?
…they take it back, I take back what I said above
Intensify:Ok so using DGADT, though not the latest town game I have been in, mind if you explain the differences here? Do you feel like I’m asking too many questions? Also “offering commentary.” No, that’s just me expressing my opinions on the current subjects, I don’t need to make reads ASAP every game.
So that was a gut-meta read, like “this feels different”. idk if I can put that any clearer. As for commentary vs. reads, ig that’s words for “reads seem to lack thought process and conviction”
Intensify: EliThePsycho: Intensify:Ok on second thought, I was finding Leafia to be not so susp, but then now… uhhh they’re kinda making themselves seem susp
i just think it’s strange they don’t believe the bleed.
Alright I’ll explain all my reasoning to you, I will assume you missed them
The bleed came in like 10 minutes when this SFOL started. There’s a lot of questionable things about that. Bleeds are useful, and have major impact I believe, so why waste it 10 minutes in? Also another thing, bleeding early is not smart as you don’t know what could happen later on, you lose your ability to bleed when a situation that demands a bleed arrives later and you can confirm healers, which is something you don’t want to do. The way that Vully reacts to me not believing also was strange as well
I mean, they’re defending their position, which is better than going back on it imo.
Intensify:ALRIGHT ALRIGHT.
Fun fun, GG scum.
Due to some things . I would like to annouce that I was bled. However, I was not bled right now, I was bled before all of this, like around the time I said I was gonna leave.
Intensify:So yep, I’m bleeding right now, and you know what? I’m fine with dying.
Intensify:Important note about this bleed, I was bled around the time that I said I was gonna leave, so I couldn’t really react to it properly. But when I came back, I saw it and decided to keep it quiet for reasons I won’t explain right now, but you’ll find it in my logs. Anyways, I don’t care if I’m healed or not, your choice healers.
I’m kinda wierded out by them “being fine with dying”, but I guess this is self-resolving now? unless they’re a likely heal?
Intensify:If you read my response carefully
I also wanna add that bleeds confrim people and that bleeding 10 minutes in instead of half way into the day is much b etter. Bleeding someone so early when you don’t know what could happen is like… wut l ol. Also, I don’t know what the counterarguments to the bleed are e ither. So I’m gonna say that the bleed is fake unless I get really good arguments for why the bleed was caused, not gonna believe it and I guess we see if in 2 days if they’re d ead.Look at the end of each sentence’s word carefully, and look at what the bolded letters make up
Intensify:Seth… when I die in two days, my logs will explain everything about why I decided to keep quiet, for now however, just let me do my things.
So they softed their bleed. Doesn’t mean anything about the ligitimacy of the bleed, but idk if wolf thinks to do this?
Intensify:Anyways, if Vully survives night 3 and I die night 3, something is wrong here that’s all.
Intensify:Anyways, Imma start reading into the thread and making some opinions since I’m dead in 2 nights.
Their thoughts seem consistent here. If they keep up the WiM, this would be likely town. P sure wolf just lolcats here.
There’s some other posts, and they all look moderately good.
So yeah, first 1/3 of the ISO looks terrible, but everything after that seems pretty good. At any rate they’ve claimed self-resolving so probably don’t yeet today?
Anyways I need to read more but it’s getting late so that’ll probably happen tomorrow.
And because I have now lost my only scumread:
/unvote
Since then,
Centuries:Maybe the playstyle shift is too big for this to be in his scumrange
“Playstyle shift.” I want you to elaborate on that please.
but but I’m town this game and I was scum in that game…
I-- wh-- huh?
So you I think I might scum because I’m not acting like how I did as scum in another game???
Ok sure, I’m in a PoE, which is like whatever. But your reasonings… make no sense at all… unless you’re for some reason assuming I have the same playstyle as wolf and town and that this “different” playstyle I have right now is scummy???
Ok let’s just drop this… since clearly you’re doing some galaxy brain move on me or something.
This feels like a super townie reaction. I don’t think scum does “you do you” this easily.
Townlean - stuff from previous iso, plus a good reaction.
PsychoKang
ash4fun:idk leafia feels like normal leafia town here. Not that I know what normal leafia scum looks like.
nice
nice.
nice catch
Not super relevant but they seem to think I’m nice?
anyways not much solving yet except to paste a oh-so-light scumlean on leafia and intensify.
halfway through iso and they haven’t done much except call some stuff nai.
changed my mind about intensify being a scumlean
he’s now a townlean, purely because his belief that vul’s bleed is fake feels geniune
uhhh
wazza is the slightest scumlean ever
purely because of his townreads cuz of bleeds
tbe is townlean because uh
i’d have to go back and quote posts, and i dont want to rn
if you want explanations ask
and im obviously the locktown here
This post feels better, they were forced to make reads and they did. I like that they didn’t feel like they had to justify it; I think wolf usually explains it more.
The rest of their iso looks like them being asked for reads, and making low-information reads. I hope they read more in the future but fine for now.
Nulltown - Not super driven to solve but when forced it feels like their reads are genuine.
Surge
Surge is seth
seth plays like seth
'nuff said
Null - I don’t even want to bother, I have no idea how to read him, seems in both town and scumrange. Will probably look for agenda later after some flips.
TheBlueElixir
Lotta interaction, look like they’re making reads silently, pretty null so far
i…actually understand
if I get this right, FYPoV
a.Chloe gets voted by vul then you
b.Chloe decides to push you instead of vul because ???
c.When asked to back up read, instead says its an RTthats…not a terrible train of thought
kinda like it
though I am less prone to agree with your read on chloe, i like it
I love this post though, super villagery
around p97 three posts, two dont talk about reads so I assume you meant:
Vulgard:thin reason to clear intensify
being contrarian about mechanics isn’t difficult
he’s also not reading me, he’s reading into me being bled which doesn’t count as a read on mevote stays
/shrug
ok
Intensify’s mindset makes more sense being bled
currently leafia/intensify probably both V tbh
like this one too, now they’re in solving mode™
…aand a bunch more posts that I can see the thoughts/reasoning behind
Townread - lotsa juicy solving, I can read their process pretty easily.
ATNoName
That bleed could be from anyone
This post does nothing, except shut down reading. not a good start.
I’m back to comment on the leading discussion.
While it looks like Leafia is following her pregame wolf behaviour. I don’t see anyone defending her.
not sure what this does either. This feels more like a defense than a read, and they didn’t read her before. Could be TMI or buddy.
First up: Zone
I’m gonna skip all posts related to PKR unless there is some reason
ISO
Zone_Q11:I am curious. Soul scumread Leafia, but you don’t like the fact that they didn’t vote her.
Meanwhile, (I am assuming that) you are starting to not like Leafia’s reactions either.
Given these (possibly unrelated) facts, what kind of relation do you think that Soul/Leafia has between V/V, V/W, W/V, and W/W?just because you scumread someone doesn’t mean that you vote them although its D1 where all exe are purely social so he does make some sense.
Zone_Q11:The question of whether you are actually bled or not is another matter though.
I am a straight-to-the-point guy, so soft messages are less credible to me.While its true Intensify hid the bleed until later (assuming he is reliable), we could have the other scum faction who could have bled Intensify, but I suspect it could be a HoB/BD interaction.
Zone_Q11:Townreads
Zone_Q11
TheBlueElixir
Surge
Alice
Soulshade
Chloe
PsychoKang
Vulgard
ItalyNullreads
SirDerpsalot
Intensify
ash4fun
Centuries
Frostwolf103Scumreads
Leafia
WazzaLater he post an explanation: where Wazza’s readlist contradict his reads.
Now the rest just look him convincing that Leafia is scum and to people targetting him
In conclusion: hes a townlean for me. The only problem I have is his defense where he look like he just wants to be obvious town, but I won’t use that to scumread him.
hate this.
a) just says he disagrees with reads, not actually reading the iso.
b) tacks a townlean on after showing nothing to get there.
Last post of the day: Mole’s ISO
First things first, when I first looked at my random ISO to do list, I was like did Mole ever post?
Anyhow there is the ISO
Summary
wtf everything about his ISO feels like he is just an information center (maybe that is what got me thinking that Mole never posted. The only thing I can dig rn is his opinion on Leafia (I don’t know which side is he on? town leafia or wolf leafia) and him voting PK based off of meta.
I’m feeling Scumlean/Null until he post again
This one’s okay, could be fake or not idk
Anyhow back to ISOing: TBE ISO (was gonna be N.1 but I can’t form opinion around lowposters)
ISO
It took him 40-50 posts for him to make a read although this was done at SoD where he wanted people to post so I respect that.
Afterwards, TBE just did some opinion response before we move to this
TheBlueElixir:I disagree.
Im going to again reference my own play in JoAT9. I had reads(that were rather accurate), but due to me making them early in a way I dont usually do(perspective on few posts) I had a hard time explaining them.
(the next part doesnt really need the analogy but works with it)
When you have a hard time explaining your reads and they get called bad by thread(namely the Leafia read here) you dont believe in them as much; its like advertising. You keep being telling its wrong by the many, you believe in it weakerI have 0 clue if im making sense but I disagree that ash lacking confidence makes them a wolf
During this time, Ash hasn’t made any progression until now so I have no opinion on this.
TheBlueElixir:/vote Cent
he’s trying to push an execute on you, just a wolf
vote him
This shows that he is still following his reads which is a good thing for a villager.
TheBlueElixir: Leafia:That bleed could be from anyone
Leafia:I’m back to comment on the leading discussion.
While it looks like Leafia is following her pregame wolf behaviour. I don’t see anyone defending her.
these are the only two posts I thought could be AI for a LW
the first isnt really adding much, more looking like they are(I think its IIoA) and the second seems like ‘the person people think is a wolf might not be a wolf’
also hedgebut also reading king is hard and he has like no posts so Im not putting too much stock into this
How did I miss this? Anyways, I like to not go into great details for anything I say so I have 0 opinion.
and now we get to readlist
TheBlueElixir:actually
its probably best if I tried this too
top three villagers
Intensify
L1ght
Ashon second look, I realize I dont have as many solid TRs as I thought I did.
huh.top three wolves(from wolviest to not wolvy)
AT(is king though so doesnt count)
…gorta?
cheese, maybe?
Aliceand those dont get much better then nullscum; I do not have the grasp on the game I thought I did
I think Cent has improved btw.Why does this feel like this was made by a wolf? Upon further inspection, the only thing I don’t like is why Alice?
In conclusion: Null and barely on the town side
Okay, super reluctant to make non-nulls.
Also I’m really not seeing that the reasons line up well with the verdicts.
Right now I don’t like Soul’s jumpy nature so I’m gonna leave my vote here. Its bound to change very quickly
/vote Soul
this exists
Look, I think of Hunter because that is what it is usually called.
It is Poacher for Town this game.
Big whoop.
Love how we don’t consider the HoB equivalent.
Like, this doesn’t make any sense in context. This feels to me like a BD perspective slip
So Insanity? Gimme me reads on someone not Alice or PKR or Seth
/unvote
/vote Insanity
This wagon needs more pressure and I haven’t seen him respond to my reads question at all eventhough he post a few minutes ago
This is a terrible way to vote top wagon imo. (tho I don’t know what the vc was then). Either way, they’re still there, and haven’t actually indicated that they’ve read the slot at all, much less read them scum.
6th random ISO: Chloe
ISO
Most of it is responses that is either NAI or IIoA and RT to people, so I’m a put a few important post.
Chloe: PokemonKidRyan:Well, one question I have would be…
Who is your top townread and scumread (after catching up) and why?
Another would be
Has anyone dropped or went up on your reads?I’d prefer if you read through my posts to figure out if anyone has dropped or went up in my reads lmao
But sure I can answerI dont have any mega strong townreads atm? Top I’d probably say is TBE
im gunna get asked why so
TBE feels incredibly genuine, and has unique takes - like his read on conroy, for example
Feels truly solvey and gives me good vibes
Overall I haven’t seen anything from him that pings me as wolfyDon’t really have a top scumread rn and I don’t wanna make anything up and pretend like I do
Leafia moved up because her recent posts explain her thought-process more, and she is forming her own opinions on players rather than being a sheepy sheep - and her take on me doesn’t feel faked
PK moved down a bit because of how he hopped into the Leafia wagon with no solid reasoning, just “your reaction was bad” - and hes weirdly aware of where his vote should be
I liked the explanation Chloe gives to why TBE is her top townread and her reads after the RT from Leafia and PK.
Chloe: Cheeki2:someone as experienced as Alice should know how to make themselves obviously town as town, right?
lmfao
alice is aliceShes simultaneously the most wolfy player in the thread, as well as the person with the towniest mindset
As any alignmentbut a lot of that is probably a result of people being afraid of her
so they just bonk her with a paranoia nullreadi want her to come back into the thread so i can interact with her in real-time
im trying to make a conscious effort to not let paranoia and/or metareads clog my judgement
so far i havent hated anything Chloe:Bonk
I don’t have a top 3 or bottom 3 unless its GTH
Chloe:TBE
Surge
Frost/Light/Italy?Wazz
ATNoName/N.1
PKGuess those are my top TRs and SRs GTH
sorry, i had to pee
You know since you argue about my 1st ISO not matching my conclusion. I could say the same with you turning a 180 on posting your top 3 SR and TR, but whatever. From the readlist, it makes sense since it came from everything she did during her first posts.
Chloe:While I don’t fully agree with this take, since its multiball and scum don’t necessarily have TMI on who is a villager, so possible whiteknighting shouldnt be a mega stronk reasoning for reads
I do agree that Insanity has had flimsy reasonings and a narrow mindsetI just re-read his ISO and yeah I’m fine with this
some share the same opinion (Insanity being voted).
Conclusion: Townlean, there’s really nothing wrong with Chloe despite not seeing highpost during FOL29
Like, they vote insanity “for pressure” ie to get reactions/reads, and then do this…
Their vote is still there and it’s top wagon, and they still haven’t said anything about insanity’s alignment.
Scumread - A ton of fakesolving, but absolutely no formation of reads anywhere.
PokemonKidRyan
I just caught up.
I was expecting the Zone stuff to happen and all is good.
I like how Cent decided to make such quick reads even if I think it was a little meh in countenance.It was a weak scumread reason on me.
I like this a bit.
Zone_Q11:As for PKR… I do not plan to push him. I already quite clearly stated that I will waste this game until PKR dies, but I am most certainly trying my best to not be a deadweight like I was in ToS2399 to compensate my flaws.
Not to mention, if I were to actually push my vote on PKR… then I would simply lose, as he has not talked enough at all. I believe it would be best to simply ignore my vote, and not use DR Misc as an example in the future.
I do look forward to seeing how your take on me develops this game as I believe you will not follow spite.
My one big paranoid thing is if you have a role that can destroy me whenever you want to as I would not put that past you
eh this one feels wayyy too energetic idk
little more and they’re making reads and asking about others’ reads. Okay here
Claiming RT is kinda funny ngl. I think it’s a good RT.
Also based off Seth’s reactions we can be fairly sure he is actually scum.
I’d have to reread this to see if this is justified, but I like the analysis attached here. Could be agenda but doesn’t really feel like it.
…and then 50 posts of explaining the f*** out of it because lolseth.
I actually have to hope Insanity will flip town because otherwise I am fairly certain I am going to be wagoned tomorrow.
All I can ask is any, literally any investigates to check me out if you think I am in danger of being wagoned.
I do not care if you track me, princess (Equivalent) me, sheriff or paladin (Equivalent) me or whatnot.Just do not let me die to this… guy.
Wait why do people think PKR has to be W/W with insanity??? I haven’t seen anythinkg to support that…
Townlean - lotta stuff here is individually townie, looking pretty good to me so far.
Wazza
I’ll start by saying I don’t know how to read this, but here goes.
They’re making reads, and they can back them up. idk what but something feels a little off tho
Whysper:I like the way Wazza reasons.
I feel appreciated but I have no clue what to do with this power.
Vote who you want, I already stated I don’t realy want to influence the gamethread, but currently I’m fine with a few lynches.
This is either really towny, or really performative, not sure which.
Whathaveidone2:
Voted Voters Votes TheBlueElixir Moleland 1/14 Vulgard Intensify 1/14 Leafia Chloe, Soulshade55r, Italy, PsychoKang 4/14 Chloe Vulgard, Leafia, Surge, Alice, SirDerpsalot 5/14 PokemonKidRyan Zone_Q11 1/14 ATNoName clonedcheese 1/14 SirDerpsALot Frostwolf103 1/14 Intensify ash4fun 1/14 Whysper Centuries 1/14 Centuries TheBlueElixir 1/14 We need to sort out these wagons, the sheer amount of them is purely unreasonable.
@Moleland - Do you have a good enough reason to be pushing on TBE and causing a wagon of a single player, yourself? If so, please state the reason because I haven’t been able to notice a good enough one.
@Intensify - Your read is dignified and noted and I can perfectly understand where you’re coming from with it tbh, but I townread Vulgard so I’m adding you into this anyway. Is there a good enough reason to be voting this early on, specifically on a wagon that more than likely, won’t get lynched?
@Zone_Q11 - Do you have to spitevote someone and cause yet another pointless wagon that won’t gain relevance unless you push on it without spiting it. You spitereading a player and voting them is literally the reason that caused PKR to get away with the murder in DR which additionally caused me to die because I let my guard down because of you.
@clonedcheese - Why are you voting the King this early on in a gamemode where insta-lynching the King isn’t really a strategy?
@Frostwolf103 - Is there a reason you’re voting SDA, granted I didn’t even see your vote so I must of skimmed over it so I’ve not seen any reasoning.
@ash4fun - Same reason as Frost, mixed with a bit of Intensify’s tbh.
@Centuries
@TheBlueElixirFinal 2 players were pinged purely for them to question their own wagons as I got nothing for them.
Frostwolf103:Since I am not familiar with the term, what does it mean?
Pointless wagons with 1 person on them that more than likely won’t achieve impact on the game but instead annoyance towards players.
I’m pretty sure this post come from town; idk if wolf is quite that brazen about telling people what to do.
Zone_Q11:As for PKR… I do not plan to push him. I already quite clearly stated that I will waste this game until PKR dies, but I am most certainly trying my best to not be a deadweight like I was in ToS2399 to compensate my flaws.
Then unvote him. These Vanity Wagons are just confusing me and making me not be able to pinpoint where to actually stick.
Also pretty sure wolf doesn’t tell people to move votes so they can read easier
Nulltown - A lot of stuff that could go either way, couple of things point a bit more to town.
Soulshade55r
super memey in the beginning, nai or slightly scum.
Anyway vulguard is Null because they just did the early town reads in a scum game but they seem to do it normally anyway
The bleed claim is just whatever at this point
first read null read… ehhhhhhHHHHHhhhhh
Honestly I do think Leafia could just be LHF but I’m not going to use that as a excuse to just leave them alone all game
this could easily be agenda
I think if leafia actually looked at the argument and responded to it in a normal matter they would be a town read. I don’t know If I’m really going to get anywhere wth Leafia tbh they just seem intent on calling my posts and reasoning stupid which comes from someone who isn’t really scum or town…
I really dislike not being able to vote/pressure leafia here but I actually don’t think I’m going to get anywhere with them they feel like a slot that will just be ignored and randomly turn out to be townie or scum. Which I strongly dislike.
I like this one better
just realised how annoying it is to read people in a TvWvW
I don’t feel like scum thinks of this
almost to the end and I realized I haven’t seen them do much solving at all.
Actually nvm they did try to focus on solving seth and leafia. But that’s p much always doomed to fail so could still be town anyways.
Nulltown - early could go either way, GTH scum, but later it picks up a bit. Fails to solve, but probably b/c they tried on seth/leaf rather than not trying.
Zone_Q11
Soulshade55r:anyway leafia is wolf shall be revealed soon
Leafia:I’m not a wolf here. Prove it if I’m a wolf.
ChopChop:I’m null on Leafia currently.
Leafia making things look worse for herself is NAI.
I can’t believe I am agreeing with Surge…
Leafia:What you’re doing now is ww.
I am being a hypocrite here, since I also don’t like Soul’s reaction, but who are you to dictate whether something is ww or not?
TheBlueElixir:/vote intensify
any thoughts on soul/cheese
Soulshade55r:anyway leafia is wolf shall be revealed soon
TheBlueElixir:b) why
I feel like something is wrong with this post.
Not as in “scummy or towny”, but it felt as if the message was cut.
First you voted on Intensify. (Maybe to get his attention.)
Then you gave “someone” a question about Soul and cheese while quoting Soul.
(What about cheese though?) TheBlueElixir: ChopChop:Town.
its largely NAI
ChopChop:Maybe Town.
completely NAI
Then you ended with telling Surge that his reads were supposed to be NAI. --which I agree with, but the message felt as if they were an amalgamation of two or three chopped messages.
zone null on leafia? gasps
Leafia:You’re joking right? I am playing like t!Leafia because I am t!Leafia. I’m not playing anything like w!Leafia.
Italy:this post was a big mistake
now you must perish, wolfI am agreeing with Italy’s post.
ChopChop:WTF are these posts?
/Vote IntensifyFrom what I understand, Intensify didn’t believe the bleed-claim, but townread Leafia’s reaction.
Is there something wrong with this?
Leafia:Who are you and what have you done to Centuries? Just because I decide to change my game up a bit and play smarter doesn’t make me a wolf. A person’s meta tends to evolve over time. It isn’t going to stay the exact same way forever.
Centuries:Stop using worthless selfmeta then o_O
EliThePsycho: Leafia:Seriously? Everyone, get your votes off me now! If I was a wolf, don’t you think I would’ve OMGUSED at least once by now!?! I’ll be expecting an apology from every villager pushing me right now post game. We’re literally less than an hour into the game! You can’t form accurate reads this fast! Now stop it!
meanwhile, a few posts ago
Leafia:A person’s meta tends to evolve over time. It isn’t going to stay the exact same way forever.
At this point, I’d simply like to echo these posts and bus against Leafia.
The thing is, I am not voting her for two reasons:
- I think we need to pressure her more first to see how she reacts to that.
- I am tunneling PKR at the moment.
Chloe:This game is too fast for me why did i join it
Take your own pace. I just keep lagging 2 hours behind in order to understand the situation, while also responding to present questions every now and then.
TheBlueElixir:Surge, AT is king
they cant bleed, if thats what your getting at
ChopChop:Oh AT is King.
Thanks for the heads up!Surge being Surge. …sigh. This is town.
Scum Surge is somewhat smarter than just… this.
EliThePsycho: Vulgard:i pity whoever has to catch up on this mess
i have to catch up with this mess
It’s not much of a mess if you ignore some stuff you think are useless.
For instance, I ignore everything about Leafia at this point, since it seems that everyone (and by that I mean “a lot of people” and not actually everyone) has already talked about her by this point.Like, literally anything I want to respond to her has already been said, and her responses just keep getting worse from “my unbiased point of view”.
Leafia:I’m not saying that people should be townreading me. I’m just sayIng people should have a nullread on me really.
Soulshade55r:Literally gave my reasons why I didn’t like your posts they come off disingenuous.
If you want more detail just look up a couple of posts, the main reason you are scummy is because you are trying to force players to meta read you.
Leafia:I wasn’t doing that until I started getting pushed and I’m just trying to get people to come to their senses. Also, you talk like meta reading is a bad thing.
Soulshade55r:It is when you state how you want to be given a meta read, openly saying “yeah I don’t do x” as scum doesn’t come across townie to me as if you are scum you can just play it off as “well I’m not doing x because I’m not scum” you are trying to control the reads on you instead of let players read you for your actions
…at this point my read on Soul has made a 180 in the good way.
I thought they were trolling, but they actually deliver actual good content.
I feel like I can see their thoughts here, which I wasn’t expecting.
reading more, they seem actually super solvey. I like that.
Only thing I’m hung up on is that I was expecting zone’s tunnel to be more of…an issue. So idk if this is lotta appearances?
ig homestuck they really leant into it, and here not so much so probably v here?
Townlean - not tunnelling nearly as hard as SK in homestuck, actually solving stuff.
Insanity
Well, finally catching up to the thread.
But anyway, /vote Alice for now.
From what I have read, it seems like you really were setting up some serious pocketing attempt for later uses, and a little bit deflective in regards to Wazza’s accuses.
Opener is literally sheeping an old scumread. not a good start.
I didn’t have any “direct” evidence of you saying that it is you pocketing rather than me trying to legitimately find villagers.
But…
Alice:V
Alice
Seth
Zone
Intensify
FrostwolfTBE
Vulgard
Italy
Centuries
SDAMoleland
Light
gorta
PKR
Insanity
Whypser
Magnus
PsychoKang
Whysper
SoulshadeClonedcheese
N1
Wazza
Ash4fun
ChloeIf you put everyone else down as Villager, then I don’t think this is you trying to just find villagers.
Like this is beyond reading, this feels like straight-up agenda.
For Chloe, in my opinion, her reads are genuine and not really that forced. Although she sus’d Vul for claiming bleed at the start of the day and then started to divert her attention toward Leafia. And yes, I don’t see Vul being wolf by just claiming bleed at the SoD, but she did have her own reasoning, and her own interaction between Leafia and her doesn’t seems like a WvT to me.
Slight town at the least.
For Leafia, although him/her being defensive as heck is really scummy, but I could see that his/her defenses doesn’t seems like what a wolf would produce. And he/she did improve her defense in the end.
And tbh, Alice, you are still on my watch list
This is fakeable at best.
Town-cred someone else at the start of the game is still scummy as heck.
um, no it isn’t.
I’m starting to understand why they’re top wagon.
I didn’t retract my push.
I mean they kinda didn’t? but they got rid of a lot of the basis so now it’s “I’ve got my eye on you”
Em, that response seems pretty out of blue.
But for me, PKR is on slight town.
I’m not sure what it means that they are making (or at least regurgitating) reads when they’re on the chopping block.
I kinda want to just believe that Seth is just TWTBAW.
like scum says this to set up a reversal later, but in insanity’s position this feels genuine.
Scumlean - a lot of scummy stuff, but idk if their response to having that many votes is a wolf.
Moleland
Starts out meming on people. Same start as Joat^2.
nothing noteworthy yet
This feels like Loleafia l, not Woleafia
This one made me laugh : D
This is beginning to feel a bit like a bad faith push
It feels like they’re sitting on the sidelines throwing rocks again. idk this time it seems a bit more genuine/less agenda
So my vote currently on PK. I’ll quickly look at him again.
EliThePsycho: Intensify:I believe Leafia is town, people are scumleaning them too easily for making posts that I think townleafia would make
exactly
but without the town part
they’re null.Goes from this to this
EliThePsycho:anyways im not one to make d1 scumreads
wait did i just self-meta
but i have changed my mind about leafia being a null
into a very slight scumlean
purely based off of her reactionsTrying to blend in by targetting the LHF?
EliThePsycho:although I currently scumlean leafia,
i dont think it’s enough to vote EliThePsycho:on a non-leafia note,
intensify is acting weird
might vote them later EliThePsycho:as i said
im not used to having hammer be at 14
in my head it’s much lowerThis feels off to me. If they had like 4 votes already, maybe. But no one quick hammers day 1 lol. Also, i noticed you were reserved and cautious as scumin JOAT2
EliThePsycho:brb re-reading thread
after dinner probably EliThePsycho:i am here
i’ve been following along
and having no idea what in tarnation was happeneing
ill go back to post 900 and reread and give me thoughts EliThePsycho:i reread the last 200 posts
still no idea what the heck is going on
although seth’s push is…
weirdd EliThePsycho:ok i must go
EliThePsycho:ok NOW my time has come
my internet turns off in like 2 minutes soSeries of contentlesd fluff posts. Typically, these come from Scum not sure what to say, but they wanna blend in and say sonething In my experience.
At this point, still happy to yeet PK
Okay they’re actually working now. Unless they really cleaned up their act as wolf this looks really good.
This is baseless shading.
You aren’t even saying that it is wolfy.
Your post boils down to “Mole’s posts are NAI” But said in a way that casts me in the worst possible light without committing to the position.
Your post is a hedge
“I’ve seen Mole do this as a wolf before”That is not a committed scum read. That’s a scum shade with wriggle room so when I flip Unseen later you have room to back away.
Am I wolfy or simply posting in a way you have seen before?
This feels like a towny “aha I found something and now you must die” reaction. it is OMGUS sorta, but I’m not sure scum!mole does that.
Townlean - They look a lot better than in Joat^2. Thoughts seem real enough.
Frostwolf103
SirDerpsAlot:Or neut
Frostwolf103:Someone is not paying attention at all
I am calling a scumslip, why not, it’s a simple solution to me. We already have overpopulation problem in this game so there’s no room who just yada yada.
/vote SirDerpsAlot
SirDerpsAlot:Are you really saying me not knowing theirs neuts is a scum slip?
That’s so absurdly stupid you’re Probabaly town
Nice pocketing, but I was thinking you’re trying to look town. Unfortunately for you, I have zero tolerance this time.
SirDerpsAlot:But I’m not? I just added neut because I could see neut Vul doing that?
SirDerpsAlot:Also why is trying to clear myself scum AI lol
Yada yada, why are you trying to lolcat when it’s about alignments and shit, are you trying to deflect the acknowledgement that neuts do exist for some reason when it’s clearly not?
“Oh sorry sir, I didn’t read OP and shit, I just signed in to play the game and I am going to say that this player is acting like neutral killer–oh oops never mind, forgot what I said”
SirDerpsAlot:This is Seth right?
Seth is TBE I think
Why are you trying to be defensive with alignments when I made it clear I dont read you for meta.
Is this player just openwolfing at this point?
Soulshade55r:Nice my scroll worked
NAI, skip
Soulshade55r:I agree with that but it’s something to take mental note of
Hmm, Soul is not buying entirely of Vul’s bleed either. More people starting to notice that what could be scumbait.
idk why but this post pings me as fake.
I’m halfway through and none of this feels like actual reading. Just some questioning other ppl and calling stuff scummy.
Scumread - Not reading, calling stuff scummy. No likey.
Alice
TBE being carefree looks fairly villagery as well so far.
Vulgard looks to actually believe his own reads as of p97. Probs >rand V if I had to guess.
Chloe:Also this is weird
Why not say “Vul could still be a wolf here” rather than “the other wolf faction”
You don’t think the bleed came from town ever ?Chloe’s reasoning here is… meh.
It’s kind of obvious that the wording meant the wolf faction that didn’t bleed Vul.
And nobody ever fucking bleeds a player, especially someone like Vul, this early as town. In general looks to be like her trying to find wolfy posts rather than posts made by a wolf.
early reads, looks like they’re trying to be readable.
Halfway through, they’re literally solving the whole time.
Alice: ash4fun: Alice: ash4fun:They look to me like they’re making comments that push their view, rather than things that suggest that they’re trying to make a view/find the right view.
I could probably substantiate it more but then I’d have to do iso stuff and I don’t know if I want to get into that yet…
Yeah, I’d like for you to do that.
Nyehhhhh…
okay
ash4fun:oop actually nvm bc ive got dinner
ash4fun:Hai, am on mobile.
Just popped in to read up a bit, and wanted to ask,
Are people seriously reading me on not-confident-enough D1 reads again ??
Okay I go back to lurking
wheeeeeeeI still am waiting the reasoning here.
@as
super insistant on following up. I think that’s good, they actually want to hear what I have to say. Lvl 0 scum probably sr’s me for not responding quickly, and Lvl 1 scum probably looks for an easier target.
Also I’m not seeing agenda afaict.
My understanding is that alice has a reputation as a good player, so I feel like my Lvl 1 “solving vs fakesolving” reads basis might not be adaquate. Thus, I’m not locking this in. But I like them so far.
Townlean - A TON of good solving, but I feel like they’re good enough to fool my usual reading method. Also I’ve never played with them before so I don’t have any experience to inform that either.
Leafia
Leafia omguses
I’m not seeing anything that looks like agenda, at least not yet.
fine for now.
Nulltown - Leafia seems like in their towngames i’ve played.
Whysper
As most of you know, I’m new to this game. Haha, this is fascinating already. I just woke up and didn’t get a chance to read through all the posts. But I thought I’d better just make a first post in the meantime and then go through things more carefully later and make a vote.
Anyway, I’m glad that I rolled town (I hope I got that right and that’s Unseen in this case). I don’t think I could handle the other side for a first game. Haha.
So apparenty they’re new. Welcome!
Buncha newbie stuff, ackronyms and the like NAI but maybe towny bc scum would ask partners.
/vote Leafia
I’ll go ahead and park my vote here for now until I get a stronger scumread on someone else.
Makes sense they’d vote the LHF
Zone_Q11: Whysper:I’ll go ahead and park my vote here for now until I get a stronger scumread on someone else.
How much of the game have you read by the time you posted this?
Oh, I think I had read some early messages, skimmed through a lot of middle messages, then read some messages right before I posted. I saw the vote where Leafia was one of the main two being suspected so far. Also, before the game started, I had read a message from a previous game (something 29?) where Leafia made some outright claim in a long message and tried to say it was obvious she wouldn’t lie, but I kept wondering if there was a trick. Haha. So I just got the impression she was tricky.
But now that I’ve gone through messages more, and especially since I figured out how to focus on an individual, I’ve changed my vote to Surge. I’m actually thinking less and less that Leafia is scum.
I’m not sure I believe that a someone new to the game does meta-reading before the game… Like there’s an explanation for this but we’re not allowed to talk about it. Either way you being new is NAI.
There’s nothing really wrong here. Some pushes, n’stuff. I don’t agree with all of them, and if you’re wrong too many times I might need to take another look for if you’re doing it on purpose, but for now you’re fine.
Nulltown - Seem to be off to a good start. Doing a lot of things I would expect a new player to do as either alignment. Maybe a little bit of >rand V stuff.
Centuries
Hey intensify just because you have TMI on your own scumteam doesn’t mean Leafia is unseen
Opens up by just accusing. Like, okay…
halfway through and I’m still not seeing anything
I think whatever Light v SDA is
it’s TvT
I think Chloe wagon is omega sucky
She isn’t really pushing for a massive agenda, I don’t really see her as scum doing this little?
I think Leafia has improved enough for the wagon to disappear
Okay now we’re getting to the reads. These seem okay, but fakable.
A lot of voting 0posters trying to poke them awake
Actually something I’d like to note
I really like Zone’s posting
bit of a mindmeld here, dunno if wolf says this.
I think the tunneling part is like
the most whatever part of his iso
like I get it it’s a joke and he’s actually doing it for real but it’s not really ai
Main reason I like him is that
He doesn’t seem narrow minded despite saying he’d tunnel pkr?
I feel like Zone as scum would actually push harder?
more of above
Overall I think I like their evaluation so far. They didn’t tunnel like in homestuck so there’s that. Most of what they’ve said seems fakable but idk
Nulltown - A lot of solving, seems like it could be fakable though
SirDerpsalot
1/3 of the way through and closest thing to a read is “I like tone” and “X probs scum”
Also naked votes reeeee
/Vote Chloe
Don’t like chloes first posts, their stance on leafia is bad IMO and them “avoiding meta” reads as an excuse to wolf read someone for doing something in their town range
okay slightly less naked
ugh so derps is like, giving such short posts. It could be genuine but there’s literally no way to tell.
Nullscum - Not a ton of useful stuff from here. Some opinions/reads given but there’s no way to tell how genuine.
Magnus
Morning town! This is your friendly NAI message from Magnus.
Intensify:This post is towny
Isn’t the town the bad guys here?
joking opener. I’ma say >rand W but not by much
Chloe:Vote
ThanksYou have nothing to lose
I would, but… I haven’t yet caught up on thread, and I’d rather not vote blindly and get scumread for it later.
This feels self-aware
Gorta ISO
an_gorta_pratai:Maybe make them more of a book post and seperate it by content?
This suggestion was towards Blue’s hope to win and Chloe’s response that very few people would see it, primarily. This may be seen as a towny post, but I’ll reserve opinions for now.
an_gorta_pratai:I never TR anyone for those types of posts. I think I TR the person who first did it, but it has become so NAI ever since
This isn’t really important in terms of gameplay, but I just wanted to give my idea on this post. If a post is prewritten after the game has started and thus players know their class, it’s not NAI at all. If they wrote it prior to learning their alignment, it has to be NAI. You can’t townread somebody for being a towny person in a previous game or outside of a game.
an_gorta_pratai:There comes a point in time that you have to read the king and make a decision on if you think the king if good.
Keep in mind that this is all in one post of Gorta’s. And yes, this is a correct fact, you can’t just ignore the king. The king always has a potential to be evil. 40%, in this case.
an_gorta_pratai:Why would they bleed so early?
Asking this question to the bleed victim is stupid. The bleed victim can’t know why they were bled unless they were in contact with the bleeder, in which case they wouldn’t be bled.
an_gorta_pratai:Vulgard is kind of an obvious wolf, as we can tell from the last FoL. Vul might have improved though
Are you scumreading Vulgard from last game? That doesn’t work.
an_gorta_pratai:and it’s likely we will see wolves bleeding wolves this time around
Not on the first day.
an_gorta_pratai:You are a player that can be metaread somewhat easily, so people being paranoid and doing metareads on you isn’t the worst thing in the world.
Also a towny line from Gorta, still in the first post.
an_gorta_pratai:Can you explain your reads?
From Gorta’s first post, I’ve had more towny vibes than elsewise from him.
an_gorta_pratai:want to see people explaining their reads (and votes) better, let’s use terms like bd/bd and HoB/HoB (it should be less confusing), and make better social reads because social reads will win us this game.
Alright, this post is just following the mood of the thread by that point. It may seem strange, but I’m leaving this post as NAI.
an_gorta_pratai:W/W should be fine until we know if one is BD or HoB, but then we should be more specific determining if something is BD/BD or HoB/HoB
Is it guaranteed to be W/W?
an_gorta_pratai:It would be useless to use [Royal Advisers] n1 when they can’t convert n1,but the king should use the SF equivalent n1
This seems like common sense, but I haven’t really read a lot of thread, so I may be missing something.
an_gorta_pratai:Why are we mechanically clearing people here when the HoB are extremely mech confirmable?
Because the HOB isn’t the only potential evil alignment, duh.
an_gorta_pratai:I see people claiming that Seth rolled a role with bleeding powers. I think it was Alice, but I was skimming trying to catch up because I wasn’t sure if it was the EoD or not
Well, I missed something. I suppose the logic follows that Seth bled Vulgard, but is there further evidence to incriminate either of them other than ‘I have a feeling’?
an_gorta_pratai:I was sleeping and I haven’t just asked questions. If you look at my ISO (it’s very short) I have also made suggestions and done a few things
This sounds familiar.
an_gorta_pratai:but Sulit replacing in doesn’t change that slot’s alignment, so we shouldn’t ignore Chloe’s posts
I thought we weren’t supposed to discuss alignments.
an_gorta_pratai:I was tired yesterday and didn’t even try to make reads, but after I do some resume stuff I will. I did say that I think Italy is town for obvious reasons
This was in response to a question of Gorta’s meta. Leaving meta out of it, Gorta seems mostly towny to me so far, if a little aimless.
an_gorta_pratai:Why am I not in your PoE after slanking so hard? I am not asking to be put in PoEs, but usually slankers get PoE’d hard and I find it kind of odd how you didn’t put me in your PoE
First seriously somewhat wolfy post from Gorta.
an_gorta_pratai:Don’t accuse high posters of being a wolf just because they have a higher post could and are good and don’t clear low posters just for being inactive.
Excellent idea.
an_gorta_pratai:Without looking at things in detail I don’t like that slot too much
an_gorta_pratai:I will a bit more descriptive after ISOing cheese’s slot, but as of now I don’t like it much
This was about Gorta’s opinion on Cheese.
I’m planning to go through each person in turn.
iso seems 50% reply, 30% iioa, maybe 20% analysis. - ie. not an actual read on him. Also no conclusion. Like why are you isoing if you’re not trying to read them?
EliThePsycho:no, you didn’t
Magnus:This may be seen as a towny post, but I’ll reserve opinions for now.
Magnus:a towny line from Gorta
Magnus:I’ve had more towny vibes than elsewise from him
Magnus:Gorta seems mostly towny to me so far, if a little aimless
Cough cough.
Okay so apparently there were reads hidden in there. There’s still a lot of iioa tho.
EliThePsycho:and you said his other posts were wolfy
His posts were wolfy, but I didn’t say Gorta himself was.
Okay I hadn’t seen any of this before, but this statemtent I don’t like.
Scumlean - buncha iioa and other not-solving. Apparently has reads from that? idk this kinda confuses me.
ash4fun
Vibe Check.
VC is a soft of this :^)
Town VC - this may or may not be a soft…
Clonedcheese
Reactions to Vul claiming bleeding:
Trusting:
N.1:Vulgard >rand V
he’s incredibly popular on all fronts, even on the front of being bled, he’s less likely than others i know to attempt gigamind reaction tests extremely early, and well he could be the other wolf faction because multiball, but eh.response to this:
Vulgard:n is a villager
I’m like
90% certain
wolves wouldn’t buddy buddy like this 10 mins into gameUnbelieving:
Intensify:What if I said I don’t believe it?
Intensify:I wanna discuss this bleed of Vully’s…
I don’t believe it at allReasonable response for a more paranoid villager
I personally agree with this train of thought a little more???:
Leafia:That bleed could be from anyone
Would someone like to tell me the technical term for why this is weird
because it is
it feels like a kid stealing a cookie and preemptively hiding/vote ATNoName
Sidenote
Moleland:Cheese is posting like he lives in a reality where the game is playing out on a 30 minute stream delay.
I’ll have you know that this is like
50% truethis post litterally just loaded and it’s already been 7 minutes
gdi
First
A clarification
when i voted at i didnt know they were king Leafia:Good to see you haven’t guessed my role and flavor yet. It’s all about giving enough information to the scum to make it more likely for them to do what I want them to do. You’d understand if you knew what I was.
Uuuhhh this feels like town
Leafia has softed often during their town games
Albeit a bad play - refer to SoD pre-game posts about “you are not the hero”someone tell me if this a copypadta cuz i dont think there exists flavors in this game
Alice ISO
cuz fuck powerful players Alice:Village pile rn is Seth/Zone/Intensify/TBE/Likely Vulgard from most to least villagery.
Wolfy pile is Chloe/Maxwell.
Early reads from this slot
Surprised that they already have nunerous townreads
dont think itcs scummy but i kinda want to be able to just soulread ppl like this…fuck slewp takin hold
First of all, ffs close your <small>
tags!!
second, I like that they’re trying to solve. Ik in DGADT they were all, “I don’t believe in D1 reads”. Idk if the change is because they’re town or because theyre just getting better, but I like it.
Everything but what I quoted seems pretty coast-ey, so idk. They mention later that they can’t read anyone. Frustration is plausible.
Null - There’s a couple posts where they look like they’re trying to solve, but the rest … they’re not doing much.
Italy
italy’s like, zero solving and just pushing leafia.
stopped to iso derps and can say with confidence that he’s town
he only has like, four 100% fluff posts
as…
…useless…
…as he may be as town, he fluffs way harder as scum
Until this. Just this one though.
Nullscum - Not much of anything here really. Pushing leafia becuase they can.
N.1
first off, it’s nearly 1 and idk if I can still read this right.
lotta telling people what to do, wants thread clear.
Alice:Also start talking regarding reads. So far since you’ve returned up to here most of your posts don’t advance the gamestate in any way whatsoever.
i’ve been going back through the thread, so far i’m about 60% through and i haven’t felt like i’ve gained much, so sure, i’ve developed some reads.
as you should be aware, I never make huge readlists like you do. I get comfortable with a small quantity, and i stick with them.
Strong town reads:
Zone: Incredibly brazen and irritable, constantly quarreling with the usual suspects like leafia and seth, and I just get a familiar feel off of what he is doing this game.
TBE: RT-dominated, tons of short ISO’ing, extremely active and focused. This is in contrast to BotF 3 where he just sat back for most of the game.
Intensify: Short, direct, and bold like I remember, claims bled, lots of short ISO’s like TBE, very solvey and focused mindset.
that is all for the strong town category, i may have feelings for slight town, null, and dislike
First reads.
A lot of posts about mech/“good play”
and not much else.
This looks alright, could go either way. Not super impressed but seems real enough
Nulltown - just kinda existing, sorta helping, seems real enough to me.
Ordered readslist:
*tiers are sorted
ash4fun
Vulgard
TheBlueElixir
Intensify
PokemonKidRyan
Zone_Q11
Moleland
Light
Alice
Leafia
Centuries
Wazza
Whysper
PsychoKang
Soulshade
N.1
Clonedcheese
Surge
SirDerpsalot
Italy
Insanity
Magnus
an_gorta_pratai
Chloe -> sulit
ATNoName
Frostwolf103
/vote Frostwolf103
the push on alice (besides the part where he misread the list) seems perfectly justified, although I wouldn’t do it myself
Why so? What’s your read on Insanity?
ive read through about 2 words on this
holy shit what are you doing
you get my like my good sir
I think the way it is said is cummy tbh o_O
lol
alright g’night, I need to go to bed now.
But first some stats from MS word:
79,216 characters
12,974 words
2,323 lines
79 pages
Okay gnight I’ll read up and answer questions tomorrow
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sorry, that was a mistake on my part. I was townleaning Chloe and I’m still townleaning Sulit. Like I said, Sulit hasn’t been doing bad, I just think she could be doing more.
Did you make a full readslist before?
Could you make one now?
I can say that the following is the player that I’m pretty sure I dislike the most so far:
SoulShade: As I pointed out when I went through the first 60% of the thread, he has a propensity for wasting posts referring to mech that is clearly viewable in the OP. He also seems to make reads left and right that he either fails to justify completely, or only justifies in an extremely lazy, weak way.
With that,
/vote SoulShade55r
I wanna talk about this quickly anyway, I noticed the vote but didn’t really think it was important to reply to. (Before I sleep) I’ll give you the decency to ping you back. @N.1
I just want to know what you mean by me mainly talking about mech talk? I think I mentioned it like once or twice from memory even then I’m pretty sure I’ve said that I’m against it mainly before, in general my reads might be weaker then most players I don’t deny that I find it hard to read players but I’m trying to get better at it, I’ve been going through players ISOS and trying to justify it.
thing is that I don’t know if this comes from a scummy angel or a rushed angel it’s not really a in-depth reason to vote me (but I’m one to talk here ) I just think this paints the wrong picture about me like I’ve just been lazy reading players and talking about mech
I was confused because I thought the reads were above the hidden sections. I like them, though, nice job ash thanks for your commitment
I’m kinda confused about Alice’s PoV here
If I’m understanding the reasoning correctly they don’t think Insanity actually believed in the push due to Alice’s meta, so it was malice
but mentioned earlier that Insanity wouldn’t know their meta?
confused noises
He claims to know my meta, but at the same time he refuses to list examples and we’ve yet to play any games together in a long while.
Like, I don’t think a villager would ever just make a meta-read on someone they never seen play like how Insanity did to me.
Anyway it’s freaking 6am I need to get some sleep I’ll try to pick up in like 8 hours or so because it will be quite near EOD
Ahh I see. I suppose that could explain it.
It’s literally why I’m pretty sure his read is fake. I haven’t played with him for over a year and he’s yet to link a recent match that I asked him to prove that I don’t do that. Villagers absolutely never falsely claim meta knowledge on a player like this and it’s blatantly Insanity trying to substantiate his push rather than trying to solve.
Comments like this is pretty much why gorta needs to die.
He’s not interacting with anyone nor anything this match and is just making blanket statements while sitting on the sidelines.
they also pushed a bad push
PK can die too.
Again, this is another player who’s looking for comments that seem wolfy rather than comments that are wolf-indicative.
Seth pushing PKR was dumb, but he’s doing it in a villagery way with how he sincerely believes PKR is a wolf.
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get me out of here