[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[Elephas]

So you don’t believe that I missed sulit voting you? What makes you think I am attempting to put suspicion on you this early? What would I gain from it? Your wording makes me think you view me as scum rather than a mislead villager.

I am merely voting for reactions at this point in the game, and I seem to have hit a pressure point.

@katze

i guess i’ll do the RQS thing

(this is to everyone) what is your last completed game and what did you learn from it?

also, @CatLover @CallMeIo @Elephas @Flameo how experienced are you four, since i’ve never played with any of you?

for myself, my last game was FoL29 and i learned (again) that reads > mechanics

and if someone feels like an obvious wolf, don’t let them get away just because they had a few okay posts and they’re one of the only people playing

I have played in a Discourse setting before, and have played 10-15 games of forum mafia. This is my first game in quite a few months, however, and the latest was a minimash. I have learned that I have a tendency to confbias myself into reads, especially late into the game. I hope to work on this.

@Leafia

If you missed the vote on me and realized that it was a mistake of yours, why haven’t you unvoted? @Elephas

Because I dislike your OMGUS and strange reasonings.

[Flameo]

Hey everyone! Let’s have a good game y’all.

[Leafia]

I do scumlean you right now and while it’s possible that you missed Sulit’s second vote, I find it doubtful given how early in the day it was and the fact that you didn’t unvote as soon as you realized your mistake. I find it hard to believe that a villager wouldn’t unvote and it sounds like you’re using BS reasoning to keep your vote on me. What makes you so sure I’m not a villager that just thinks they see a portential wolf trying to push them into a mislynch?

[Leafia]

This is giving me Vulgard from FoL 29 vibes all over again.

[SirDerpsAlot]

I’m at work but I hardclaim. JOAT

[Flameo]

Some preliminary thoughts

The Katze/Sulit exchange makes me think that they are not a scum team, because the exchange is just too weird to start out like that if that makes sense? I don’t see them planning that out like that. I would like more of an explanation on Sulit’s part of the townread if that was legit.

@Elephas

I agree with this list in its entirety.

I like this response to being in a scumlist, because having a level of sarcasm in a response to being suspected (even jokingly) shows being comfortable in thread.

[CatLover]

So far I am a pretty big fan of sulit’s tone in thread. She seems to have this almost concealed confidence about her. On first glance, it seems like she’s just having fun in thread, but in a few of her posts, I see a subtle side come out that I think is a really good look!

I am specifically looking at this interaction:

@Leafia

In all seriousness though, I’m not sure I like the voting being this early, despite being pretty sure they’re not serious votes.

@sulit

/vote leafia

On first glance her vote just looks like a RVS vote, but when analyzing the context she clearly did it in reaction to leafia’s negative feelings towards early voting. This almost joking seriousness shines through in a few other spaces.

@sulit

(Katze is my mason but they don’t know that ok)

@sulit

We must talk like cowboys

@sulit

on the serious side kat is lock town never rescind

It’s a mix of making jokes about katze being her mason, and off-topic joking, but I get the honest feeling that there is an air of earnestness in the last post.

This specific vibe of a joking exterior with a serious undertone is something I would consider to be pretty town-indicative, specifically of a person who wants to joke around or minpost early but also cannot help themselves making reads and having the desire to play and advance threadstate mixed in with the joking. I have experienced this myself in my earlier years and this specific feeling comes from town almost exclusively unless experienced Mafia players are hoping to imitate this exact energy.

[Flameo]

@katze

also, @CatLover @CallMeIo @Elephas @Flameo how experienced are you four, since i’ve never played with any of you?

I have like a year of experience playing mafia. I don’t play that much, but like to design setups more.

[Moleland]

Leafia town this game

[Elephas]

@Leafia

The list that you agree with is cvalling you scum.

/Vote Elephas @Arete

@Elephas

Do you believe in this? Or is it sarcasm.

I never actually saw an answer to my earlier question. I would appreciate one. I do not know the players here very well and do not have a good understanding of who is being sarcastic.

@Leafia

I do scumlean you right now and while it’s possible that you missed Sulit’s second vote, I find it doubtful given how early in the day it was and the fact that you didn’t unvote as soon as you realized your mistake. I find it hard to believe that a villager wouldn’t unvote and it sounds like you’re using BS reasoning to keep your vote on me. What makes you so sure I’m not a villager that just thinks they see a portential wolf trying to push them into a mislynch?

I have already explained why I did not unvote. I do not think you should call it “trying to push you into a mislynch” this early into the day, with only one vote on your train.

I do not know if this is normal behavior for you, but it reeks of OMGUS. I will be staying here until I find a train I like more.

@Leafia

This is giving me Vulgard from FoL 29 vibes all over again.

I would appreciate an explanation if you are going compare my play to a game and player I do not know.

[Leafia]

Not sure what my take is on Sulit and Catlover is right now, but I’ll have my eye on both of them. Could they both be groupscum? Possibly. Could they both be town? Also possible.

[CatLover]

What is this post actually trying to accomplish? “Could they both be groupscum? Possibly. Could they both be town? Also possible.”. What does that actually say about our alignments? How does a post like this help to advance the gamestate?

Unless this is some sort of read where you think sulit and I are aligned, I see no reason for this post to exist.

[Leafia]

He tried the exact same thing that you’re doing right now, which was trying to paint me in a bad light, and he was scum. Also, at first my vote on you was me just being silly, not really serious at all.

[sulit]

@Flameo

I would like more of an explanation on Sulit’s part of the townread if that was legit.

the fact that katze predicted what I’d do then voted me back makes me thing they’re town, and then they referenced anni in regards to me reading them that way

Also as scum theyre more conscious about what they post but don’t tell them I said this

[Flameo]

@CallMeIo

All of us in this thread could be Town!
The scum could be the zero posters!

I don’t like this post. Like yeah, that could be true, but the ball needs to get rolling somehow and you don’t seem too interested into getting it rolling.

/vote CallMelo

[CatLover]

@sulit

the fact that katze predicted what I’d do then voted me back makes me thing they’re town, and then they referenced anni in regards to me reading them that way

Also as scum theyre more conscious about what they post but don’t tell them I said this

So it was a serious read? Knew it! Even better!

I am [I]really[?I] liking sulit at the moment!

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
sulit	katze	1/8
Leafia	sulit, Elephas	2/8
katze	CatLover	1/8
Elephas	Leafia	1/8
CallMeIo	Flameo	1/8

[Leafia]

Easy. I’m trying to figure out why exactly you townread Sulit just because of some silliness that they posted that isn’t really AI. Scum can have a relaxed tone as well after all, so I find it strange that you’re townreading them due to that and I’m trying to figure out why and if you actually believe what you’re saying.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I will be on more later, as I am very tired

[Leafia]

You should take a nap/get some sleep.