[Standard] NUF FM 2 - GAME OVER (MAFIA + NEUTRAL VICTORY)

might count this as a light hint
not as much as later posts

today’s very obvious role soft (for those who know what neapolitan ice cream is)

well
I guess PKR mostly just softed today and not D1
but yeah, there was discussion about it earlier (but in the context of Eli now that i’m looking at it)

i did already wtf
i guess i have to quote the post to drive in the nail

as in
either cocky villager or experienced town keeping a cool head

[quote=“EVO, post:2979, topic:87229, full:true”]

Here is the play in question.

I took this immediate response as a possible reaction that I was looking for. Some kind of push for the meat of the information immediately with no regards to benefits of withholding it.

[quote=“EVO, post:2410, topic:87229”]

I was hinting here (mainly towards Wind) that my train of thought was directly related to PKR’s lunge for info.

In hindsight this could come from a PR. But from my POV stuff like this could be scum sweating, meaning my plan had already begun to yield fruit.

Little things like this was going to be included in a last post before being lynched today, in order to give town the fuel to start scumhunting.

After getting a reaction from PKR that pinged my interest I tried to push it and force some kind of interaction with other slots to put into my final notes as possible spew.

Stuff like this, while in direct context of me having a redcheck on someone would be invaluable to mapping out connections between slots.

[quote=“EVO, post:2437, topic:87229”]

Further instance of me pushing that interaction as far as I dare to go to get info.

Stuff like this, and with how quickly answered, allowed me to deduce that PKR and GonZ were probably not w/w

My chart and this post were primarily to plant the seed in Intensify that my redcheck could be on them, as well as a double wifom that I may or may not have altered my chart based on my redcheck. (said that I didnt, but I assumed me saying that would cause some people to not believe it entirely).

[quote=“Aelin, post:2469, topic:87229”]

Also, Aelin was the only person who pointed out the redacted bits in my earlier notes, which was annoying, as I was hoping adding “REDACTED” to a few could incite some paranoia in the wolves.

Phase two after I’ve realized i’ve milked PKR and the reactions from others of me milking him.

[quote=“Intensify, post:2522, topic:87229”]

This was a late reaction to Phase One by Intensify that intrigued me on Intensify’s alignment, as they feign interest and then possibly pry for info by dancing around the subject with a seemingly adjacent-relative question.

[quote=“Intensify, post:2522, topic:87229”]

This then backtracks and shows a bit of awareness to my plan, as well as pointing out PKR’s resistance to the redcheck being witheld.

[quote=“Intensify, post:2522, topic:87229”]

Oddly enough this was one of Intensify’s towniest posts, as the awareness seems naturelly biased from a town perspective seeing themself scumread

Ending Intensify’s post with a push on me regardless of the previous findings, I am having trouble finding out whether this is AI or not.

Then they backtracked again catching my interest again.

Wind caught onto it as well.

Here is an instance where I hint at my findings.

[quote=“EVO, post:2536, topic:87229”]

This is where I notice that Intensify is chatty and made a slip in judgement that may have been from a scum PoV.

[quote=“EVO, post:2545, topic:87229”]

Wind also, as reliable as they are for noticing this stuff, liked this post, giving me the thought that I may be able to pass the majority of my findings to them before my lynch.

[quote=“EVO, post:2547, topic:87229”]

This is a NAI logical fallacy that I was pointing out for the sake of pressuring intensify after their slip about Eevee.

Here is where I end the interaction and leave my work with Wind to analyze while I went to work.

here I was just trying to keep the thread from just sitting and waiting on my check, so I threw a bone to encourage interactions

Notice that theselection contains two of my townreads, and two coasters. Also, my townreads at this time were somewhat suspected to be scum, so the extra pressure on them made me look out for oppertunists, which you wills see soon.

This was just me giving them an out on claiming neutral, making it more likely someone gives something to save themself later

[quote=“GonZ, post:2621, topic:87229”]

late reaction to Phase Three.

At this point I was still unaware what tf ice cream had to do with anything

this is when I realized my plan wasn’t going exactly where I wanted it to go

As expressed here.

Not letting this get buried.

your quotes are severely broken my guy

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ok so what does this mean

all i got is pkr gonz isnt w/w

Cool so i think i understand what EVO was trying to do
Still not taking my vote off of EVO because 1) that was incredibly stupid and 2) this is not something that scum cannot do

As top wagon i think scum would find the most outlandish ways to get back into a townread
But the way that EVO tried to pry information seems logical

In which case I may want to look at {Intensify, GonZ, Tigrial}
Those that voted me extremely fast then backed down extremely quickly, without taking time to evaluate the merits of EVO’s claims and took the line of “well a redcheck and a neopolitan check is 100% proof”

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Vote Count

Accused Voters Number
EVO EliThePsycho, clonedcheese, lol 3/7
clonedcheese GonZ 1/7
EliThePsycho WindwardAway 1/7
PokemonKidRyan Intensify 1/7
[No Exe] cdecora 1/7
[Not Voting] eevee, Aelin, an_gorta_pratai, Tilgarial, PokemonKidRyan, EVO 6

EOD2 is at 2021-03-29T19:50:00Z.

I’m actually very close to voting Tilgarial for something I noticed both yesterday and today

You can always ask about it, I’m fairly open

all right.
while I think your tone has been pretty consistently towny and hasn’t stuck out at all, I’d like to know why, on both D1 and D2 so far, you looked like you were hunting for neutrals more than you were hunting for scum.

Both scum and neutral have non-town behaviour, so hunting for one is basically hunting for the other anyways?
And this is an FM desigend after NUF, i just can’t imagine there NOT being a neutral that’s possibly game changing

right, I could accept the standard NUF setup as a valid reason for it.
but we don’t know for sure that a neut would be something we need to vote out. There was only one night kill last night so I’m leaning toward no neutral threat, unless a protective made a good call.
I don’t totally agree about the non-town behavior, though. A lost wolf type neut would also be solving the game in order to figure out who they win with, for example.

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As example, the last game i played that zone hosted had a neutral that won by D6 as long as 3 pre-selected players died somehow

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I’m not really opposed to EVO dying today if we are being honest. I don’t think there is much more that makes me want to reverse my opinion of EVO yesterday. I might just not know how to read EVO though

Even the lost wolf is gonna have non-town behaviour; they mught wanna find out who they win with, but they don’t want thise people lynched
That’s gonna be rather obvious if they don’t hide their thoughts somehow, and that in itself is gonna be somewhat of a non-town behaviour

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Hey @an_gorta_pratai

Since you are here, tell lol how often my conspiracy theories end up being true.
Yeah, I think of stuff like happy university game where you was thunderomed with Italy and I replaced in saying that it’s neither of you. :^)

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Although, aren’t the only two situations where I even mentioned suspectig somebody of being neutrals yesterday marl and today decora?
Decora being more of a reasoning to myself about why EVO’s non-town check might aply to them than anything?

Yesterday → last day phase
Today → this dayphase

yes, but I was specifically bringing up the cdecora read because I don’t necessarily think EVO believed there were neutrals in the game, but you still did.