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I think glossing cheese’s defense of Emiliagard as ‘he was defending them because activity is NAI even though he didn’t have any reason to townread them’ is a mischaracterization, that was how he responded specifically to the activity-based argument against their slot but he did also have specific reasons for incorrectly thinking the slot was town beyond that, which he talked about in P#4802
The majority of players can’t reliably be read on results, the distinguishing feature between town and Mafia isn’t ‘town is correct all the time and Mafia is wrong all the time’ but rather ‘Mafia has TMI and town doesn’t,’ I think cheese was findable as V due to his thought process consistently displaying a lack of TMI (which is more nuanced than ‘he was defending a wolf so no TMI’ since yeah, that’s fakeable)
I disagree with the comparison to Marshal in Ninjas and Guns since there was basically no plausible town motivation for Marshal to randomly push her top townread that she’d said was always real into a rand with a player that she had spent all day calling an outed wolf whereas there was plausible town motivation for cheese to defend Emiliagard
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I know this. I just hate cheese’s entire “activity is NAI” philosophy as volume tells and SBPCBWE is something that actually exists in FM and while he did have an actual thought that incorrect led to Vul W it still left a bad taste in my mouth that he partially used that philosophy as a basis.
I actually think activity is relatively less AI on FoL than on most sites outside of a few specific players (admittedly including Emilia) – e.g. SBPC is, weirdly, more accurate on MU than on FoL from my experience (disclaimer: I haven’t done a rigorous statistical analysis of this or anything)
(If I had to guess I would say it’s because people on MU tend to, broadly speaking, prefer villaging, whereas a higher proportion of FoLers either prefer wolfing or don’t have a preference?)
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Eh, doesn’t even matter.
As I said before, next time a player on this site defends a wolf just because they’re LHF or is slanking then I’ll turbo them.
Before my hiatus I used to let this shit slide like…
If y’all want better townplay on the site, start actually punishing people for anti-town play.
This was my entire mindset irt Marl d1 as him going apeshit over a n0 was nonsensical.
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Me townreading zone being zone was right though, even if you made fun of my read it was right.
And ‘going apeshit’ is a strong over exaggeration. My play day 1 was by far the best out of the entire town including yourself.
Doesn’t mean that it’s not hard to fake.
Just wait until Zone eventually gets that people TR him for that shit and he’ll just start self-destructing non-stop as a wolf.
It’s why I don’t TR anti-town plays regardless of meta anymore. It’s stupidly easy to fake it and it’s beneficial for wolves to do it since it both makes them TR’d and hurts the town.
His play wasn’t just anti town, it was anti mafia
No mafia tries to suicide for you to die d1
Mafia and Town can both make anti-town plays but it’s extremely rare for a mafia to make an anti-mafia play
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Also the main point of the read wasn’t just him being pepega at you
The townread was because he was more in his own head than he was in the thread which is extremely v indicative imo
In fairness, wazzas defense from you was kinda underwhelming and made me doubt but cloneds solving on the last day made me double down
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wait until people start townreading other people for making reads, then they’ll start making reads as wolf too
whatever could be the solution to this problem
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It’s harder to fake reads than to self-destruct.
Plus making reads can potentially give out spew while self-destructing does nothing bad for wolves.
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you are continuing to miss the point
if you cannot read certain plays then read around those plays
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people in mafia games are going to do whatever they want
you can’t accuse people of being anti-town because they aren’t playing like you want them to play. as long as a player is trying to fulfill their wincon and isn’t breaking the forum/game rules, it really shouldn’t matter how they approach it. sure, it can be frustrating when a player doesn’t give you much to work with, or when a player is doing something you think will lead your faction off a cliff, but such is the nature of mafia. people are going to have different investment levels and different WiM, different reasoning skills and self-control, etc.
players making plays that end up hurting their faction is their prerogative, and as long as they aren’t knowingly throwing the game, it’s fine
you may not like dealing with play you find anti-town, but you’re signing up for it when you type /in in the sign-ups thread. just deal with it and try to solve around it like mistyx said, or try to read into it instead of dismissing it because you don’t want to bother
i personally prefer the first option, but both are valid
i know this sounds like “poor play should become accepted and expected,” but realistically, you’re going to find poor play in most mafia games - so you might as well suck it up, buttercup, and try to read people with that in mind
i prefer to assume that players are trying to fulfill their wincons, unless they are very blatantly throwing. while i really dislike some strategies (i could give examples, but i feel like i’d be opening pandora’s box), i try to take people’s play in stride and solve around it
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you guys should’ve sorted me by postcount in this game, i posted that one time at the start because i was drunk out of my wits 
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…fake??? First I get yelled at for not making reads, then I get yelled at for making reads. Not everyone is good at making reads.
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