[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - šŸ˜¹ Pirates (Town) Win!

Yup. The two of us were right about that.

What? I donā€™t hard defend my fellow wolves as scum

I know it looks wolfy, so why would scum ever do it?

Thatā€™s exactly what scum would say. Plus, you didnā€™t answer my question.

Because they want to win and think that they can save their scumbuddy. Exactly the same reason why a townie would defend a member of their towncore if that member of their towncore were being voted up.

Thatā€™s just not how mafia works, not everything is binary

And bussing does wolves no favors in this setup, so itā€™s more likely he was defended then bussed

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ā€œOOO ELEPHAS IS SCUMā€
ā€œOOOO VULGARD DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES DOINGā€

I buried a wolf, I am clear, screw yā€™all.

Now, with that out of the way. I canā€™t really post much today or tomorrow, until tomorrow evening/the morning after that, so sorry about that.

Will still post some thoughts, probably. Not sure if Mole was bussed or not, but I think the wagon was largely pure regardless.

We should probably do some analysis of the counterwagon, considering that Mole didnā€™t self-pres. Could be WIFOM, could be w/w wagons.

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Iā€™m pretty sure I get by far the most credit for that, considering I was also on Moleā€™s wagon day 1, so yeah, stop tinfoiling me and please look elsewhere while Iā€™m away from thread. Not even mentioning the fact Elephasā€™ legacy is a huge townread on me.

Thinking thereā€™s at least one wolf on the counterwagon, since the Flameo wagon had a chance to save Moleā€¦ but if Flameoā€™s a wolf, that point is moot.

Gorta is also worth a look. Thinking Derps is town because the amount of defending Mole and discrediting me probably doesnā€™t come from scum?

You certainly did help, which is part of the reason that Iā€™m going to trust that youā€™re a villager like me.

Will probably post more advanced thoughts when I can actually do something.
Leaving thread for now, bye.

This is a good idea I think.

I think you get almost as much as I do honestly considering I was hard going after Mole near the end of both days and I was the first to call out Mole for being wolfy.

That being said, another thing that needs to be done today I think is resolving Gortaā€™s slot.

/vote Gorta @Arete

I doubt Iā€™ll change this vote at all today, unless Gorta improves massively. Right now, Iā€™m 85% sure that Gorta is a wolf as well, and considering at EoD 2 I was 95% sure that Mole was a wolf, thatā€™s saying a lot.There was a small part of my brain saying What if Iā€™m wrong and Mole is town? that was only silenced upon seeing his flip, which was definitely a relief to me admittedly. EoD2 was stressful, but in the end, we yeeted a wolf.

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an_gorta_pratai Leafia 1/6

Things are quiet. Too quiet. Fox! Itā€™s a trap!

I couldnā€™t resist with how quiet itā€™s being.

If I was a damn wolf I could have buried Moleland and been ā€œclearā€ today. A little bussing goes a long way

The last time I played a similar setup one wolf bussed the other and made it to the final 3 and won, so bussing is still a legit strategy here

I hate the way this post is worded

Based on that I should also be town in your opinion

I also think Derps is village btw. Itā€™s common knowledge that usually if Derps is doing anti town stuff heā€™s town and I also hydraā€™d with him twice in these last few months, so yeah. I asked him to explain his read because I know he can do more than he shows

While true that it would make you look at least a bit better if you did that, it doesnā€™t mean that you being a wolf isnā€™t a possibility. If you want to be townread, stop defending yourself and start looking for pelts. Iā€™m starting to see how scummy I looked back when I was constantly defending myself in past games.

Not necessarily. Derps is known for his bad reads. You arenā€™t. You and Derps arenā€™t the same person and you havenā€™t given anyone a reason for townreading you.

I donā€™t think you should act like you are clear either. You are a hard busser and when you act like people should lock town you for it then that makes me suspect you.

We have plenty of time for that, but for now I want to go against this bs accusation that you suddenly started

The difference between Vulā€™s posts and Leafiaā€™s

Is that Leafia is a known hard busser and how they both handle things

Vul tries to look at things from all angles and does say that I am worth a look, but doesnā€™t outright vote me. Leafia just goes ā€œlook at me I executed a wolfā€ and then votes me

Thereā€™s also this

Iā€™m not saying I should be completely clear due to it and thereā€™s nothing BS about my accusation and I think that you know it. What youā€™re doing now is just making me suspect you even more.

Iā€™ll admit that if I was a wolf and you were a town in this situation, what Iā€™m doing now is exactly what I would do, but the reverse is also true. You need to take other things into consideration while trying to solve my slot, like how Mole acted towards me among other things. If you take just one thing as proof of someoneā€™;s alignment, youā€™re just asking to towncore a wolf or misyeet a town. You need to look at the whole picture.

If I was someone else who knew my playstyle as well as I do, Iā€™d be reading myself as a townlean currently. Could still be a wolf but is slightly more likely to be a villager. Iā€™m guessing the uninformed spec chat reads me as close to that, although I can see how someone could scumlean me even now, as I have done at least a few scummy things.

Plus, you never explained why you hard defended Mole, who happened to be scum. Thatā€™s what a villager wouldā€™ve done I think. A villager would understand me scumreading them after how you hard defended Mole.