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[Leafia]

Yup. The two of us were right about that.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Leafia

You likely defended him in thew hopes that he would be saved and because you could justy use the argument that you’re currently using if he wasn’t.

What? I don’t hard defend my fellow wolves as scum

[an_gorta_pratai]

I know it looks wolfy, so why would scum ever do it?

[Leafia]

@an_gorta_pratai

@Leafia

You likely defended him in thew hopes that he would be saved and because you could justy use the argument that you’re currently using if he wasn’t.

What? I don’t hard defend my fellow wolves as scum

That’s exactly what scum would say. Plus, you didn’t answer my question.

@an_gorta_pratai

I know it looks wolfy, so why would scum ever do it?

Because they want to win and think that they can save their scumbuddy. Exactly the same reason why a townie would defend a member of their towncore if that member of their towncore were being voted up.

[Wisp]

That’s just not how mafia works, not everything is binary

And bussing does wolves no favors in this setup, so it’s more likely he was defended then bussed

[Vulgard]

“OOO ELEPHAS IS SCUM”
“OOOO VULGARD DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES DOING”

I buried a wolf, I am clear, screw y’all.

Now, with that out of the way. I can’t really post much today or tomorrow, until tomorrow evening/the morning after that, so sorry about that.

Will still post some thoughts, probably. Not sure if Mole was bussed or not, but I think the wagon was largely pure regardless.

We should probably do some analysis of the counterwagon, considering that Mole didn’t self-pres. Could be WIFOM, could be w/w wagons.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

I buried a wolf, I am clear, screw y’all.

I’m pretty sure I get by far the most credit for that, considering I was also on Mole’s wagon day 1, so yeah, stop tinfoiling me and please look elsewhere while I’m away from thread. Not even mentioning the fact Elephas’ legacy is a huge townread on me.

Thinking there’s at least one wolf on the counterwagon, since the Flameo wagon had a chance to save Mole… but if Flameo’s a wolf, that point is moot.

Gorta is also worth a look. Thinking Derps is town because the amount of defending Mole and discrediting me probably doesn’t come from scum?

[Leafia]

You certainly did help, which is part of the reason that I’m going to trust that you’re a villager like me.

[Vulgard]

Will probably post more advanced thoughts when I can actually do something.
Leaving thread for now, bye.

[Leafia]

@Vulgard

We should probably do some analysis of the counterwagon, considering that Mole didn’t self-pres. Could be WIFOM, could be w/w wagons.

This is a good idea I think.

[Leafia]

I think you get almost as much as I do honestly considering I was hard going after Mole near the end of both days and I was the first to call out Mole for being wolfy.

That being said, another thing that needs to be done today I think is resolving Gorta’s slot.

/vote Gorta @Arete

I doubt I’ll change this vote at all today, unless Gorta improves massively. Right now, I’m 85% sure that Gorta is a wolf as well, and considering at EoD 2 I was 95% sure that Mole was a wolf, that’s saying a lot.There was a small part of my brain saying What if I’m wrong and Mole is town? that was only silenced upon seeing his flip, which was definitely a relief to me admittedly. EoD2 was stressful, but in the end, we yeeted a wolf.

[Arete]

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[Leafia]

Things are quiet. Too quiet. Fox! It’s a trap!

[Leafia]

I couldn’t resist with how quiet it’s being.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Leafia

Because they want to win and think that they can save their scumbuddy. Exactly the same reason why a townie would defend a member of their towncore if that member of their towncore were being voted up.

If I was a damn wolf I could have buried Moleland and been “clear” today. A little bussing goes a long way

@Wisp

That’s just not how mafia works, not everything is binary

And bussing does wolves no favors in this setup, so it’s more likely he was defended then bussed

The last time I played a similar setup one wolf bussed the other and made it to the final 3 and won, so bussing is still a legit strategy here

@Leafia

think you get almost as much as I do honestly considering I was hard going after Mole near the end of both days and I was the first to call out Mole for being wolfy.

That being said, another thing that needs to be done today I think is resolving Gorta’s slot.

I hate the way this post is worded

@Vulgard

Gorta is also worth a look. Thinking Derps is town because the amount of defending Mole and discrediting me probably doesn’t come from scum?

Based on that I should also be town in your opinion

[an_gorta_pratai]

I also think Derps is village btw. It’s common knowledge that usually if Derps is doing anti town stuff he’s town and I also hydra’d with him twice in these last few months, so yeah. I asked him to explain his read because I know he can do more than he shows

[Leafia]

@an_gorta_pratai

@Leafia

Because they want to win and think that they can save their scumbuddy. Exactly the same reason why a townie would defend a member of their towncore if that member of their towncore were being voted up.

If I was a damn wolf I could have buried Moleland and been “clear” today. A little bussing goes a long way

While true that it would make you look at least a bit better if you did that, it doesn’t mean that you being a wolf isn’t a possibility. If you want to be townread, stop defending yourself and start looking for pelts. I’m starting to see how scummy I looked back when I was constantly defending myself in past games.

@an_gorta_pratai

@Vulgard

Gorta is also worth a look. Thinking Derps is town because the amount of defending Mole and discrediting me probably doesn’t come from scum?

Based on that I should also be town in your opinion

Not necessarily. Derps is known for his bad reads. You aren’t. You and Derps aren’t the same person and you haven’t given anyone a reason for townreading you.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Leafia

While true that it would make you look at least a bit better if you did that, it doesn’t mean that you being a wolf isn’t a possibility.

I don’t think you should act like you are clear either. You are a hard busser and when you act like people should lock town you for it then that makes me suspect you.

@Leafia

If you want to be townread, stop defending yourself and start looking for pelts. I’m starting to see how scummy I looked back when I was constantly defending myself in past games.

We have plenty of time for that, but for now I want to go against this bs accusation that you suddenly started

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Vulgard

“OOO ELEPHAS IS SCUM”
“OOOO VULGARD DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES DOING”

I buried a wolf, I am clear, screw y’all.

Now, with that out of the way. I can’t really post much today or tomorrow, until tomorrow evening/the morning after that, so sorry about that.

Will still post some thoughts, probably. Not sure if Mole was bussed or not, but I think the wagon was largely pure regardless.

We should probably do some analysis of the counterwagon, considering that Mole didn’t self-pres. Could be WIFOM, could be w/w wagons.

@Vulgard

I’m pretty sure I get by far the most credit for that, considering I was also on Mole’s wagon day 1, so yeah, stop tinfoiling me and please look elsewhere while I’m away from thread. Not even mentioning the fact Elephas’ legacy is a huge townread on me.

Thinking there’s at least one wolf on the counterwagon, since the Flameo wagon had a chance to save Mole… but if Flameo’s a wolf, that point is moot.

Gorta is also worth a look. Thinking Derps is town because the amount of defending Mole and discrediting me probably doesn’t come from scum?

The difference between Vul’s posts and Leafia’s

@Leafia

I think you get almost as much as I do honestly considering I was hard going after Mole near the end of both days and I was the first to call out Mole for being wolfy.

That being said, another thing that needs to be done today I think is resolving Gorta’s slot.

Is that Leafia is a known hard busser and how they both handle things

@Vulgard

We should probably do some analysis of the counterwagon, considering that Mole didn’t self-pres. Could be WIFOM, could be w/w wagons.

@Vulgard

Thinking there’s at least one wolf on the counterwagon, since the Flameo wagon had a chance to save Mole… but if Flameo’s a wolf, that point is moot.

@Vulgard

Gorta is also worth a look. Thinking Derps is town because the amount of defending Mole and discrediting me probably doesn’t come from scum?

Vul tries to look at things from all angles and does say that I am worth a look, but doesn’t outright vote me. Leafia just goes “look at me I executed a wolf” and then votes me

@Leafia

That being said, another thing that needs to be done today I think is resolving Gorta’s slot.

/vote Gorta @Arete

@Leafia

I doubt I’ll change this vote at all today, unless Gorta improves massively. Right now, I’m 85% sure that Gorta is a wolf as well, and considering at EoD 2 I was 95% sure that Mole was a wolf, that’s saying a lot.There was a small part of my brain saying What if I’m wrong and Mole is town? that was only silenced upon seeing his flip, which was definitely a relief to me admittedly. EoD2 was stressful, but in the end, we yeeted a wolf.

@Leafia

Yup. The two of us were right about that.

There’s also this

[Leafia]

@an_gorta_pratai

@Leafia

While true that it would make you look at least a bit better if you did that, it doesn’t mean that you being a wolf isn’t a possibility.

I don’t think you should act like you are clear either. You are a hard busser and when you act like people should lock town you for it then that makes me suspect you.

@Leafia

If you want to be townread, stop defending yourself and start looking for pelts. I’m starting to see how scummy I looked back when I was constantly defending myself in past games.

We have plenty of time for that, but for now I want to go against this bs accusation that you suddenly started

I’m not saying I should be completely clear due to it and there’s nothing BS about my accusation and I think that you know it. What you’re doing now is just making me suspect you even more.

I’ll admit that if I was a wolf and you were a town in this situation, what I’m doing now is exactly what I would do, but the reverse is also true. You need to take other things into consideration while trying to solve my slot, like how Mole acted towards me among other things. If you take just one thing as proof of someone’;s alignment, you’re just asking to towncore a wolf or misyeet a town. You need to look at the whole picture.

If I was someone else who knew my playstyle as well as I do, I’d be reading myself as a townlean currently. Could still be a wolf but is slightly more likely to be a villager. I’m guessing the uninformed spec chat reads me as close to that, although I can see how someone could scumlean me even now, as I have done at least a few scummy things.

Plus, you never explained why you hard defended Mole, who happened to be scum. That’s what a villager would’ve done I think. A villager would understand me scumreading them after how you hard defended Mole.