[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[Vulgard]

I’ll wait for more of my townreads to enter the thread, but right now, I feel like this is the way.

And for the record, I don’t like Wazza disappearing, either.

[Vulgard]

@sulit

Since I didn’t really find anyone else I really wanted to lynch today I’d be ok with gorta bc that will help me sort a couple other people, so I’m going to vote him for now and try to get on before EOD

/vote gorta

Can you weigh in with more advanced thoughts about the gamestate, Mole’s wagon, who’s where on your readlist, etc.?

[Leafia]

I agree with you there.

[Leafia]

Vulgard, you’re my new favorite person this game. You have practically mindmelded with me regarding Gorta and partly due to me not liking how we have the top wagons tied and partly due to me being fine with either Gorta or Sulit being lynched as well as me agreeing that we need to flip Gorta to give us more info, I’m doing this… /vote Gorta @Arete

[Vulgard]

Not sure what to think about sulit mostly just floating and randomly pointing out how Wazza disappeared. Sure, it’s a thing, but I’d rather see her evaluate more important players, especially since we yeeted a wolf yesterday. Surely that changes her reads, especially since she was townreading Mole at some point.

[Vulgard]

She’s been tunneled on Wazza to varied extents throughout the game. Sulit, if you really think he’s a wolf, please case him or do something other than this commentary. It’s making me wolfread you because you’re not taking a stance re: Gorta / Leafia and talking about your own thing instead, which doesn’t seem all that important. You don’t sound like you believe it’s important, either.

[sulit]

@Vulgard

Can you weigh in with more advanced thoughts about the gamestate, Mole’s wagon, who’s where on your readlist, etc.?

Yeah I can look at D2 as well

@Vulgard

Not sure what to think about sulit mostly just floating and randomly pointing out how Wazza disappeared. Sure, it’s a thing, but I’d rather see her evaluate more important players, especially since we yeeted a wolf yesterday. Surely that changes her reads, especially since she was townreading Mole at some point.

I did that yesterday

Saturday?

I did that Saturday

[Vulgard]

We have 5 hours until EoD, and you’re probably not getting yeeted today, so you don’t really have much pressure. Use that to evaluate other slots, since you don’t really have to defend yourself yet.

[SirDerpsAlot]

Yeah

[Vulgard]

@sulit

waz is frusterating

most of his posts are just like

haha im not making reads

i guess he could flip scum
but

meh

@sulit

@Wazza

Alright, we really gotta cut down these wagons.

i dont really like this post

yeah i just dont know about waz

he does a lot of talking but it doesnt really seem to go anywhere

@Wazza

I still stick with Sulit being a spiteful Town.

Mole I haven’t seen much from so I can’t give a red.
Vulgard I will decently say he’s been acting suspicious this game and raising red flags.
Gorta’s inactivity isn’t really a scumtell. What is a scumtell however is finding out if he’s getting annoyed about certain reads on him.

these reads don’t really make sense with what he’s said before in thread

and he hasn’t really pushed them

but i dont know if I should expect that even with how he’s been playing the game so far

annoyed noises

He hasn’t been saying anything this whole game, I agree. I kinda think it’s V indicative because a wolf would at least try to say something?

@sulit

gonna look at people based on the mafia ™ flip

first person I wanted to look at is Wisp but I think he’s semi clear because of Mole’s push on them for the entirety of the game and because of this:

Actually yeah, this post exists, mea culpa.

@sulit

Conroy is kinda ???

He didn’t have much reasoning to actually be voting kat, voted ash but voted off. He is eh. Eh.

Centuries is barely doing anything either, but it’s unfortunately town AI for him. Even more unfortunately, it’s easy as hell to fake as scum, so yeah. Bad.

@sulit

I feel like gorta is almost TWTBAW. They vote ash even though they aren’t even really a wagon at a time, pushing them higher above Mole and kat leads a CFD on them. I’d like to ISO them after this but I think they should flip before anyone else tbh.

I can’t really decide what I think about Flameo. I think it’s relatively towny that they were on EOD and unvoted ash, didn’t vote anything else so it makes me think they’re unlikely to be scum, also their earlier interactions with Mole don’t seem to be w/w but I want to look back at this as well.

Derps was just on a vanity wagon the whole time. Which is a Derps thing to do. Not much thoughts about this.

CatLover is just town. I don’t think I could give a valid opinion on their EOD without being biased.

Gonna ISO gorta and Flameo next then, also Wisp too. Also wanna look at Leafia/Mole interactions. WHEEEEEEEEEEE.

Your scattered thoughts make me lean you town, just because of the way you are presenting them. Not sure if you can fake this as a wolf, but I’m leaning “no” based on how you behaved last time I saw you wolf.

@sulit

Flameo could definitely still be scum they’re not clear. I think it’s odd that they sus Mole earlier but they don’t really return to the read and don’t include them in their short list of reads afterwards. Their vote at EOD2 could be bussing because honestly Mole was always being lynched there, but their nervousness seems genuine. I think their reasoning for not liking the Mole wagon EOD1 was supported. They could be scum but I don’t think I want them lynched today. I do think if gorta flips scum they’re more likely to be scum, as they voted ash over gorta at EOD.

So, flip gorta before Flameo, again.

I agree with this, I just think that some of Flameo’s posts have been super pure, probably beyond the capability of most wolves to fake.

@sulit

I think Leafia is fine ? Their progression on Mole makes sense and they basically scumread them all most all day. I think it’s a good look they’re the second vote on Mole too.

I forget if Leafia likes to bus, though. I also don’t think s!Mole immediately latches on to and focuses on their scummate, calling them town and generating a lot of content related to reading solely them. It feels more that Mole was TMIing Leafia town and trying to make content based on that to get townread.

I agree that their interactions don’t really look W/W, but I don’t really want to lock Leafia as V because “INTERACTIONS OOOOO.”

@sulit

E: It’s 2:57 right now and I forgot I wanted to look at how Mole pushed on Wisp as well and if it could be distancing, so I’l do that after day starts and change my read if I need to.

I think the push was totally nonsensical in a way that isn’t W/W. Mole’s reasoning is terrible and Wisp seems genuinely baffled by the push. Not reading that as W/W.

[Vulgard]

Reasons?
Voting history looks kinda bad, admittedly, but voting history isn’t everything, especially since villagers don’t have TMI and can have bad-looking votes.

Right now, I think that Flameo has had really unfortunate votes (being the deciding vote on Ash day 1, and late vote on Mole), but other than that, I haven’t actually seen anything overtly wolfy from them. Some posts were also really pure.

[SirDerpsAlot]

PoE

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

Voting history looks kinda bad, admittedly, but voting history isn’t everything, especially since villagers don’t have TMI and can have bad-looking votes.

Like, look at your own votes. I’m pretty sure most of your votes have been on V wagons all game, and you spent most of yesterday discrediting my correct push.

In a vacuum, you look super wolfy on the surface level, but I think you’re town for other reasons. Same deal for Flameo’s votes.

[Vulgard]

@SirDerpsAlot

PoE

We gotta take people out of it. Best to finish the game quickly without killing too many villagers. I already feel bad about not forcing through the Mole yeet day 1, because I wasn’t around at EoD.

[Vulgard]

The nightkills so far have been “loud town voices,” so I expect another highposter to perish tonight.
Also, both nightkilled players suspected gorta, which is also a thing.

[Centuries]

Calling me town based on activity is dumb

If you’re gonna read me as not scum don’t use meta it looks super wierd

you have a sample of one game

I don’t mind getting TRd but the way you’re doing it is like so bad

It’s not even like if I’m really low posting and I have no content, issue in this game is top posters having 400 300 posts by D3 when it doesn’t help us find their alignment

Also the fact I exist in thread but you’re refusing to read me / interact at all

is soo weird

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

The nightkills so far have been “loud town voices,” so I expect another highposter to perish tonight.

I’m saying that because some townies have not been speaking up much, and I don’t want this to end like the last FoL. In the last FoL, most of the village fell asleep after day 2, since the loudest town voices died night 2.

Don’t do that to me.

[Centuries]

I’m not calling you scum but

The way you’re reading my slot is like

bad in the long run

[Vulgard]

@Centuries

Calling me town based on activity is dumb

If you’re gonna read me as not scum don’t use meta it looks super wierd

you have a sample of one game

I don’t mind getting TRd but the way you’re doing it is like so bad

I’m… not calling you town based on activity. I think the process you’re going through while generating your reads is more towny for you than not, and I don’t think you’ve been pushing agenda.

Also, gamer.

[SirDerpsAlot]

I have like 4 people in my PoE