[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - šŸ˜¹ Pirates (Town) Win!

My biggest issue with Leafia in general is that

youā€™ll tell her once that she did something townie/scummy

and sheā€™ll just abuse that fact

Kyo TRā€™d her for LAMISTing in Homestuck?

Do it every game

She busses her teammate as scum?

That means from now on not bussing means sheā€™s town

She says she doesnā€™t care for her life and she indeed was willing to get yeeted in another past game as town

It means sheā€™s town

idk its just so unreadable

Kinda surprised sulit isnā€™t evaluating Leafiaā€™s push as something that comes from a wolf vs something that comes from a villager.

Okay, I totally get why sheā€™s using this line of defense. Itā€™s a good line of defense. I agree with it. But I feel like she should be evaluating both Leafia and Io, becauseā€¦ I donā€™t really know what her read on the two is? Now that Io/Leafia are tunneling sulit. She mentioned ā€œagenda,ā€ so she should be scumreading Leafia at least, butā€¦ sheā€™s not analyzing. Not sure what it means.

i think sulitā€™s goal is to just disarm the push by trying to make leafia/io realize the push is meaningless

but then it doesnt like

idk i think sulit is town and i can understand the reaction

doesnā€™t feel optimal tbh

I donā€™t really think sulitā€™s play has a clear direction, when Iā€™m reading her posts. Like, she has reads and they change and she has done some analysis, but I have no idea where sheā€™s going with everything.

I donā€™t think she has a plan for this game, and itā€™s even more apparent to me based on her reactions to Leafia/Ioā€™s push on her. She calls it stupid and baseless over and over, which is true, but she spends ~30 posts on that instead of doing something else. Itā€™s like she doesnā€™t know what to do in this game, but when she is pushed / feels pressure, she does some analysis. And thenā€¦ it does not really go anywhere after that.

:upside_down_face:

Based on my reads so far, I think we should consider todayā€™s yeet in sulit/Leafia/ I guess Wazza. Wazza has been basically AFK. I think heā€™s >rand V. But I canā€™t just ignore his slot. Heā€™s never going to get nightkilled.

Still need to evaluate Wisp and CatLoverā€™s slots. I think Moleā€™s push on Wisp was really bizarre and Wisp had appropriate reactions to it, which should make him town. That said, plenty of people disagree for some reasonā€¦

CatLover has had some pure posts and pure tone, but beyond that, I donā€™t actually remember much they wrote. It reminds me of a different player I played with, who was town. But I canā€™t use the same metric for both, so I gotta evaluate.

Okay, Centuries has been playing in a bit of a low-effort manner, but he has also written distinctly town!Centuries posts multiple times this game, and his general ā€œweh, this game is weh, everything weh, I think X but I dunno, wehā€ attitude is consistent with the towngame Iā€™ve seen from him. And gamer.

Io is just blatant town to me. Votes look good, has tons of conviction and way too little organization to be a wolf.

Thinking Flameo is just town and Wisp->Intensify is probably town (still going to evaluate the latter, though)

Thatā€™s half the players in this game Iā€™m townreading, including myself. We donā€™t have enough misyeets, though, unless at least one JOAT is in the non-town pool.

The fact Iā€™m still alive despite having a pelt tells me that I put wolves in the towncore, or at least townleans, which is why Iā€™m looking at Leafia and sulit, two people I previously townread at some point and who I have reasons to scumread. And I will evaluate the Wisp/CatLover slots.

Or they are just JOAT hunting and doing a terrible job on that front. Hm.

Itā€™s pretty clear to me that sulit wolf spews Leafia as town, because bussing twice is just unnecessary considering how broad and undecided the PoE seems to be.

Sulit town might make Leafia just a wolf, even though the push is extremely brazen.

I justā€¦ donā€™t understand the wolf motivation behind what Leafiaā€™s doing regardless of sulitā€™s alignment. If sulit is a wolfā€¦ why the hell bus here? You have so many push targets, youā€™re a top poster, you can make it happen!

If sulit is a villagerā€¦ why make yourself look straight-up terrible when some people were townreading you? It doesnā€™t help you!!

Occamā€™s Razor says ā€œLeafia believes in her read, coincidentally Io has the same read, so she is tunneling because she wants a wolf yeet after gorta and is angry about misyeeting yesterday. Which is why she bashed gorta, because she considers the blame to be mostly on him.ā€

/unvote

I need to think about this. I feel like Iā€™m one of the only players evaluating all angles, but itā€™s fine. As long as villagers help me.

Hey sulit, what is your plan for this game? For when you read this. Iā€™m reading your stuff and I see some analysis but I donā€™t see direction.

Everyoneā€™s invited, I donā€™t want to sound unwelcoming. I would just like to see more advanced thoughts in the thread.

If itā€™s Town Leafia and Town Sulit it means that scum is either entirely in me/wazza/vulgard and pushing for a ML or theyā€™re sitting on the sidelines I donā€™t think the scumteam is Vulgard/Wazza anyways

That means

but is pushing another Townie


If Sulit is scum and Leafia is town that means Leafia is correct but pushing for awful reasons which could be a thing but then wtf is this game


If Sulit is town and Leafia is scum, Leafia thinks she can get away with lynching 2 townies in a row which makes 0 sense from her pov or she somehow is certain that Io town


If Leafia is scum and Sulit is scum then itā€™s probably some weird universe where Leafia keeps on bussing

I wanna think about the nightkill though

Is Derps 100% pr hunt

but then that makes no sense to attack Ele the night before does it

They go from read accuracy killing to PR hunt

The scumteam cannot be both in poe otherwise I donā€™t think they kill SDA

Wolf!Leafia instantly dies after sulitā€™s green flip in that world. Thatā€™s the problem.

ā€¦Why would you kill Derps? Free misyeet in most cases, did not contribute much. Tunneled Flameo but had 0 support.

Like, she can still misyeet sulit, sure. But doing it like this nigh-guarantees sheā€™s not going to live after her success.