[VFM] JoaT^2 - (6/15) - 😹 Pirates (Town) Win!

[SirDerpsAlot]

I’m very confident those 4 are town.

[Wazza]

@SirDerpsAlot

Lo is a JOAT claim

Hol’ up.

[Flameo]

@Moleland

I’ve got an idea I’ve seen elsewhere. Everyone pretends they are a Joat and out their night result - therefore the actual joat can out there’s without scum being able to tell that easily.

Sidenote - wtf happened the end of the day

@CallMeIo

Ok I’ll play along.
I ”Motion Detected Elephas.

This is not a 100% Joat claim. They even added quotation marks.

[SirDerpsAlot]

They’ve softed JOAT so hard before claiming that

As well as their push on Elph it’s pretty obv lol

[Flameo]

But you are right, that that shouldn’t be touched for a lynch today actually. I was agreeing with that earlier, I just dislike their ISO so much and don’t really believe it that I put them in the pool anyways.

[Flameo]

@SirDerpsAlot

Gorta tonaly is town.

Exactly what about their tone?

@SirDerpsAlot

Vul is Imo likely town. I always despise his reasoning but the way he plays as scum is just different

Also he has a tendency to be more confident with bad reads and less confident when his reads are good it’s kinda weird

Do you have non meta reasons? I can’t relate to this.

@SirDerpsAlot

Mole is mostly gut and tone

Same question as with Gorta.

[Wazza]

It’s not obvious, it’s a joke.
I’m sorry but ‘I’ll play along’ and the quotation marks.

What the hell? That’s clearly not a soft or anything.

[SirDerpsAlot]

Look at how they go about the push as well as a few other posts heavily softing JOAT lol

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Flameo

@SirDerpsAlot

Gorta tonaly is town.

Exactly what about their tone

It’s exactly how it was when I hydrad with them

[Flameo]

@SirDerpsAlot

They’ve softed JOAT so hard before claiming that

As well as their push on Elph it’s pretty obv lol

I didn’t consider it this much, because it was laid on so thick that it seemed like a reaction test. Especially, because a motion detection can mean Ele is a JOAT as well or the other JOAT targeted them. It’s a weird basis to out everything based on that.

That’s why it feels more like a scum gambit to me, (one that was designed to get heat off Vulgard tinfoil ) than something legit.

[Flameo]

… I hope you can see how this can’t convince me…?

[Wazza]

But, a few points I have to make:

• Calling someone a JOAT based on their softs is bad because Vanilla Town should always soft JOAT (Hypocritical for me this game but you get the point)
• Calling someone a JOAT is bad since if they’re actually a JOAT you’re putting them on the chopping block.
• The fact you’re calling them JOAT publicly makes me think you’re Town though since I really doubt you’d do that as scum.

[Flameo]

But you know what… I’ll play along as well.

@CallMeIo

1. Why did you target Elephas?
2. Why did you decide to reveal in this manner?
3. Why did you choose motion detection over another JOAT ability.
4. Why couldn’t Elephas be other JOAT or visited by other JOAT?

[Leafia]

Hmmm, I can agree with that, although I’d remove Vulgard from it.

[Flameo]

Why? At start of day, you were agreeing with me.

[Leafia]

It’s starting to look like Wazza is just AtEing for no reason. I think he deserves a place in the lynch pool. Vulgard should be taken out though, as I think he’s fairly villagery.

[Leafia]

Vulgard is a strong townread of mine. I’m pretty sure that he’s town at this point.

[Flameo]

I don’t think that that was really ATE? Why has your opinion on Vulgard so radically changed?

[sulit]

moleposts

@Moleland

Leafia town this game

@Moleland

I can post the leafia meme if you’d rather. I was just doing a random soul read so you’ll likely be mafia this game and live to lylo and win. No worries

@Moleland

Lol, salt voting

@Moleland

Because meming Leafia is funny and usually outs their alignment easily

@Moleland

Inconclusive so far. I did overuse that meme in the last game we both played in when they were scum. Could be PTSD

@Moleland

I’m interested in your chainsaw defence/whiteknighting of Leafia. Slight scum lean for it atm.

@Moleland

What does this even mean?

@Moleland

@Leafia

Moleland: This is one of two slots I’m most sure of. I hate his memes on me. Scumread

FTFY. At least be honest with your reads

@Moleland

Fixed that for you.

Low hanging fruit

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@Wisp

@Moleland

I’m interested in your chainsaw defence/whiteknighting of Leafia. Slight scum lean for it atm.
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can you talk to me about this read? Where is this chainsaw/whiteknighting?

His reaction was surprisingly hostile for a bystander.

@Moleland

In my experience, people who refer to or discuss their own meta like this are usually scum

@Moleland

I mean replay wasn’t that active until pressured and then it was pretty… ‘Meh’ and Wazza is pretty ‘meh’ RN.

@Moleland

I feel Leaf going OMGUS is at best NAI. But I’m Tring them for other reasons rn.

Just waiting for gorta to make his alignment known a little before I make a more in depth readlist.

@Moleland

Not sure I agree there especially.

But her play so far is 80% her scum game for me.

However there’s a new 20% I haven’t seen before and it’s either an evolved scum game… Or her town game which overwrites the other 80%. I’m calling it the latter for now.

@Moleland

Because you’re good enough to hide your intent.

Push off scum towards town? Wolf aligned

Push away from town onto wolves? Town aligned

By Day 3 I’ll probably have an impression of where you reside

@Moleland

Leafia - Weaktown
Make her irrated or angry and she spills her scumminess. That’s what happened for me. I was happy playing ‘Scum Leafia’ Bingo. I was just waiting for her to self meta and say “Only town me would do X” or “If I was scum I would do.Y” and… Huh. They said it wasn’t AI? That was unexpected. Maturing scum game or their town game? Not sure tbh - but want to believe the latter. Should re eval their read on me because it is a mix of Salt and misunderstanding my opening post/s at the moment.

@Moleland

CallMeIo - Nullscum
As others mentioned, their posts are pretty underwhelming… But they seem to revel in this. I don’t like it.

@Moleland

… This hurts my head

@Moleland

I already stated that I’m sure Wisp is scum with that self reference to meta for no reason and just generally asking weak questions.

@Moleland

I’ve got an idea I’ve seen elsewhere. Everyone pretends they are a Joat and out their night result - therefore the actual joat can out there’s without scum being able to tell that easily.

Still think Mole’s fine

while their reasoning is strange I don’t exactly think it’s scummy and I think you can understand the thought process behind their pushes.

I think the whole they are shitposting thing is really overexaggerated

And I still like their approach to solving Leafia via trying to make them angry, it felt town motivated

zoom

ok by im taking nap

/vote vulgard

[Wisp]

Someone give me a mole town game, wolf game, anything