[VFM] Mountainous Arson - (12/15) - Completed - Town Wins

[DatBird]

Accused	Voters	Votes
Geyde	Vulgard	1/8
Arete	Eevee	1/8
Ici	Geyde, Arete, Kai, Jake, Maxwel, Sulit	6/8
Shurian	Hja	1/8
Jake	Icibalus	1/8

[Maxwell]

Kai ISO to this point, ~100 posts

@Ami

Currently making my way through the thread. I don’t like this wagon speed on Maximus. Either no wolves are in this thread at the point to push Maxi which I find unlikely. The other possibility there’s a wolf in those 3 which is the reality in keen in believing in

@Ami

I put much more effort into Vanilla games. They tend to be me fav setups to play and host as they require minimal hosting work.

@Ami

Magnus is Magnus, I thought nothing of it. I’d imagine him doing it as both town and mafia, but it’s not mafia or town motivated

For after flips:
Kyo/Magnus is very likely a thing if one flips w

making sure this doesn’t get swept away. Currently i’m really not liking Kyo at all. He hasn’t responded to Geyde’s pressure well at all. His posts about Magnus seem like defending a buddy

@Ami

Break a leg

@Ami

/vote Kyo
Reading over his ISO i fell confidence enough to say he’s a scumlean for me. His entire ISO is just a scummy mess idk how to describe

@Ami

hippity hoppity get on the cross

Dislike how the reason for the FoS is in a different post. Unless you need to come up with something quick but want to put suspicion on someone why put it in a different post

@Ami

not voting until it’s pointed out it’s not scummy.
Think the process here “hey it’s pointed out it’s scummy, i’ll do it to do a scummy vote to make people i’m town!”

@Ami

@Vulgard thoughts on Marshal?

@Ami

kyo/marshal/magnus scum

ez pz lemon squeezie

@Ami

As much as i love gut reads i don’t think we can work from gut in vanilla

@Ami

be overconfident ever again after Looming Threat

hoes mad

@Ami

never thought someone could OMGUS without a vote on either side

@Ami

Anyways bus is almost at school, i’ll be fine for 7+ hours

@Ami

be gone*

@Ami

if kyo ever flips scum i like kai way less tbh

why is that? Im literally pushing kyo so idk what association your getting from it other than “kai is pushing kyo, kyo flipped scum. Kai must be scum!”

@Ami

its almost as if i stated the fact i was at school

@Ami

it’s not a tell unless it’s consistent compare this to lotrfm

@Ami

I’m pointing out you can’t say it’s a tell unless he’s CONSISTENTLY done it as scum, which is why i said compare it to lotrfm

@Ami

if it’s a new one your using pre-flip which could be totally wrong. I’d suggest filing it as NAI then if he does flip scum you can use it laterv

@Ami

do you wanna test me bitch
i love dying on hills

@Ami

There is no way Vul flips mafia
i will stake my pelts on it

@Ami

Thing is he doesn’t flip mafia in any world. I see him as someone who has their confidence totally shattered who will hedge as he does not want to repeat looming threat again.

That’s what i see and i’m more keen to put him in LHF rather than scum

@Ami

/vote Marshal

@Ami

BBS

@Ami

boom bye scum

@Ami

I am not pocketed by Vul and if vul is my scum partner marshal is sexy and gets all of my pelts

@Ami

they live in singapore

@Ami

AtE
bbs

@Ami

as if AtE negates it happening

@Ami

imagine using traditional reading methods on a player who uses wolf tactics

@Ami

ah yes
wagon on someone for oog reasons

@Ami

what do you do when vul flips town

@Ami

because i don’t fucking bend over backwards to fix unfixable mistakes i deserve to be PLed?

@Ami

if it was brought up before votes are read then it was very easily fixable
you were already added to ponderosa and votes were read
i can’t do anything. I have publicly admitted i made a mistake, what more do you want

@Ami

You literally broke the most important rule
it can fucking shatter game integrity if it’s broken
While your post did not break game integrity it was a rule with a clear zero tolerance policy

@Ami

lovely

@Ami

you realize i love getting hate

@Ami

i mean
it’ll let me focus on getting into a good college

@Ami

@Geyde
ate

getem

@Ami

I’ll be upfront and say my WiM has totally plummeted. I’ll try my best to deliver reads but don’t expect me to nail the entire scum team

@Ami

i appreciate the obv town read but any reason why?

@Ami

it was forced, eevee was throwing a hissy fit at that point in thread

@Ami

/vote KyoDaz
I’m going to let Maxwell post a bit then reevaluate my read on the slot. See what it holds

@Ami

God-Emperor Kai

@Ami

scumchat in that game was woefully underused in that game, so if you want pure scum magnus that’s a good game for meta

@Ami

I’m really confident on my Kyo/Magnus wolf tandem, I’d like to see one of them lynched today

@Ami

quote it for me and i’ll try to judge

@Ami

Kyo interaction’s with him makes me feel confident that if he flips wolf then magnus has a high probability of flipping wolf

If we can kill two wolves before they can even be allowed to get an ignite off it would be amazing for us and we can probably just roll them over with momentum

@Ami

Holy shit that sets off so many alarms.

It feels like a limp excuse for town reading a townie as scum. I can totally see myself making that kind of read as a wolf to try to get a villager on my good side

@Ami

why are hoes mad

@Ami

I’m honestly not exactly 100% sold on Ici flipping wolf. Give me a pitch while i read his ISO

@Ami

look vul the opening paragraph has a pretty awful apologetic tone, which is more likely to come from a wolf because instead of reading that post and thinking “okay, I need to get that content I don’t have” you just thought “eh whatever I’ll just apologise”

it’s not damning but it’s pretty wolfy

I feel as if this is a wolf trying to put some shade onto some nice juicy low hanging fruit.

Icibalus:

Apparently, reading people’s posts for allignment is wolfy now.

Sarcastically dismissing a read. I don’t think any villa does this, especially Ici. He’s more of a “take the bull by the horns” kind of guy to me.

Im not going to address Ici trying to make the limpest fucking town read ever, my thoughts on that should be perfectly goddamn clear

Icibalus:

I also find that way he narrates everything he’s doing pretty wolfy; the villagers are bound to catch onto the blatant TMI there.

More shade onto Vul. I like the narration as it can help catch progression.

Right now i’m feeling as if we are living in one of two worlds

Ici/Maxwell(Marshal’s Slot)/???

Kyo/Magnus/???

@Ami

Inclined to believe in a Kyo/Magnus tandem as the only association between Ici and Marshal’s slot is a unified push on Vul. Could be arranged so there’s always some thread pressure on Vul.

@Ami

It’s a possibility but it’s not my ideal team

@Ami

i give 90/10 odds we are living in a kyo/magnus world without rereading them

I don’t think that’s marshal being scum is the world we are in. I’m liking Maxwell’s entrance tbqh.

@Ami

I like that box, take Geyde and tentatively remove eevee and i think that’s a near-perfect poe

@Ami

Can you contribute something that isn’t a shitty quip?

@Ami

…i’m not even going to comment

@Ami

that’s actually super sweet

@Ami

The more and more Jake posts the less and less i like him

@Ami

I’m thinking
Jake/Kyo/Magnus/Ici is our PoE

@Ami

thoughts on that?

@Ami

if your seeing two people in your poe to unlikely to be partners with a good chunk of the poe it’s a good sign it needs to be narrowed a bit

@Ami

all he did was scream kafka trap and ate when pushed so is that his town meta? guess so

@Ami

ISO Ici, i want other opinions incase Geyde is a wolf who has masterfully pocketed me

@Ami

is he openwokfing in a vanilla setup

what the actual fuck

@Ami

i honestly really hope i’m right here with my reads
i think i could finally fall myself a level 2 player if i’m right

@Ami

Eevee pushing me for oog reasons is entirely NAI

@Ami

didn’t expect the third reich to show up

@Ami

yea but
why would Jake openwolf?

@Ami

like i don’t see any motivation behind it

@Ami

but funny haha quote

@Ami

i hope everyone realizes this is sarcasm

fuck the nazis but not sexually

@Ami

He wasn’t even considered scum

This feels so fucking weird

@Ami

JAKE IS NOT THE LYNCH TODAY. WE GET NO INFO FROM IT REGARDLESS OF FLIP. KYO IS THE BEST POSSIBLE VOTE

Choo choo!

@Ami

we do not negotiate with terrorists

@Ami

If he’s scum he’s in anti-spew
if he’s town we can’t VCA as it’s a super easy ml to have clean hands from

@Ami

broaden your horizons, stop hyperfocusing on Geyde and shift to like Kyo or something

@Ami

From this point forward i want thoughts on the follow players in the PoE

• Kyo
• Ici
• Magnus

@Ami

I’ll fucking indict (is that the word) harder than the fucking government going after capone

@Ami

Okay so basically everyone has been not doing very much. Right.

It’s a 12:3 ratio, and they get to douse each night.
They won’t be flipping anyone which increases our PoE but it also increases our towncore.
We need to be townreading people, or at least make an effort to it this game. They are much more powerful as they can’t be removed (unless they want to pre-ignite for some reason?)
If I was the mafia I’d be stacking up douses until I get to the point I can ignite and win.
So, assuming they’re doing that whilst we’re hanging someone everyday…

We have four mislynches (approximately, assuming they douse towncore and not PoE so they don’t douse anyone hung) before it’s LyLo.

Thought that’d be important information to share.

Entrance is solely mechanical talk. I really don’t like this as it feels a forced contribution in a game where there are little mechanics and Kyo isn’t sure how to fabricate reads so he shits out a paragraph of mechanical babble.

KyoDaz:

I believe because he wants to start tracktion on Alice and allow someone else to take the blame for it.
/vote Maximus

This screams to me desperate shading, mislynching Alice is something i don’t think scum!Maxi would have the balls for.

As this ISO goes on i’m liking Maxi more and more. Going to pop him in a slight town mean slot.

KyoDaz:

What about my posts, Maxi? Thoughts.

1. Ask for reads on yourself with little posts
2. Get a weak read due to little posts.
3. ???
4. Profit.

That’s this interaction in a nutshell tbqh.

KyoDaz:

I was saying that it’s scum motivated to vote someone right away without any posts as it is potentially creating a wagon for a mislynch.
It puts someone under pressure which crumbles them, town or mafia. It’s not town motivated.

Additional shading plus it shows a clear agenda. I think this is pure scum Kyo as he was in SFoL00, where his posts reeked of agenda to push a lynch. He flipped neutral killer in that game.

KyoDaz:

No, I have zero reason why you’d think any of my posts are wolfy and I don’t even need to read them

Dismissing reads on them once asking for thoughts on them. I bet he was expecting townreads for existing but instead go bitchslapped

KyoDaz:

Yes, I’d rather allow Alice the chance to speak or at least get in the thread.
Voting her does absolutely nothing if she’s not present. It’s better to put your vote on someone in the thread.

Very very veryyyyy subtle white knight here. It’s a easy defense as “oh let her talk” when there’s literally been 1 vote on her. It reeks of scum desperate for town cred. I don’t think Kyo would defend a buddy like that.

KyoDaz:

Hja, reasoning is not exclusive to one point.
Those are not conflicting points.

KyoDaz:

I’ll add the connectives in there as well.

I really personally dislike these, they reek of scum attempting to act superior to make people think they are better than they are.

The next posts are more of the same. White knighting Alice and reacting poorly to pressure

Its at this post

KyoDaz:

What was the Alice question?

Arete:

How are you reading Maxi now?

I believe it’s mainly changed from this

MaximusPrime:

and how the fuck would i blame someone for a wagon if i was the one who started it

MaximusPrime:

im posting, chill the fuck out

He was obvious under pressure and he handled it well. He didn’t start spewing anything self-preservationist or panic.

This is where he flips his read, seeing how he isn’t really getting a reaction he can twist as scummy to get him mislynched.

So far associations when kyo flips wolf

• Alice town
• Maxi town
• Hj town

The way they interacted with each makes me think they aren’t on the same team in a kyo is wolf world
m

@Ami

It’s at this point

@Ami

shift gears to someone else, i want content when i wake up

@Ami

luxy is the host

@Ami

surprised i haven’t received an ISO tbqh

@Ami

i like seeing how people read me, gives me places where i can improve upon

@Ami

Kyo/Jake/Magnus/Ici

there our Poe

/vote Jake
lets catch an easy w

@Ami

We need to agree on a lynch

Jake is probably the best as he’s a consensus scumread and though he is in my PoE he’s the weakest out of the four, but in this gamestate i don’t see ici/magnus/ici be seriously considered for a lynch

@Ami

/vote Ici

My reasons for this vote have been stated in my ISO of him.
Obvious shading of a villager and plus an attempted pocket

i think this flip spews at best 2 people of being town as I don’t think Ici would be buddy buddy with a wolfmate

@Ami

i mean

it felt like shadethrowing to me and that was the first time i actually read into your posts so I didn’t even know you reversed read

@Ami

@Luxy @DatBird
We need a VC asap

@Ami

/vote Ici
just to be sure

idfk what the votes are looking at

@JakeTheWolfie @Maxwell @Monokuma @Arete @H_Hja @eevee

IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY VOTE ICI, HE IS PROBABLY GOING TO FLIP SCUM

@Ami

yea but

lynching jake instead of ici is just kicking the can down the road. I’d much prefer an ici lynch over jaek

@Ami

choo choo onto Ici

@Ami

@H_Hja @MaximusPrime @Shurian @sulit @H_Hja

VOTE ICI FOR FREE PELT

@Ami

want free pelt yes?

@Ami

you realize one of my jokes is pelt related talk

@Ami

but god said

Geyde was a Town Citizen

@Ami

@H_Hja @Vulgard

VOTE ICI

[Maxwell]

i believe i’ve compiled enough content for today.

[Arete]

Ici flipping scum here would be a good look for Geyde as I don’t think he starts a bus on a L3 scumbuddy D2, if the team is 3 L3s I’d expect them not to bus D1 at all and if it’s fewer then I’d expect any scum to bus the one who isn’t L3.

It would be kind of a worse look for Alice as she talks in her catch-up post about how much she wants to lynch him but then doesn’t put him on any of her likely scumteams, and he’s been lowkey trying to push her into the towncore.

Not actually sure what it says about Jake as I could see Ici going for a self-pres bus there. Would probably want to reevaluate how he came to his conclusions on Jake to try to figure that one out. Would probably go Magnus before Jake (not saying I’d immediately go Magnus, to be clear, but assuming we end up going that direction at some point) as Ici chose Jake as his self-pres push rather than Magnus when both are pretty LHFy.

The other voices either way are mostly towncore and I don’t think I’ve miscleared anyone this game.

If Ici flips town Geyde is going to be very strongly still in the PoE for Burden of Proficiency reasons. Would want to re-read the thread in either case but in the case where Ici flips town I’d be looking to figure out who’s been sitting on the sidelines, especially in Ici v. Vul but potentially in Jake v. Ici as well.

[Geyde]

@Arete

Ici flips town Geyde is going to be very strongly still in the PoE for Burden of Proficiency reasons. Would want to re-read the thread in either case but in the case where Ici flips town I’d be looking to figure out who’s been sitting on the sidelines, especially in Ici v. Vul but potentially in Jake v. Ici as well.

He was trying to pocket me when I was the biggest talker

[Geyde]

Not swapping vote here

[Arete]

In the case where he flips town, presumably he wouldn’t have been pocketing you.

[Geyde]

Misread
I’ll wait until PC to eval

[JakeTheWolfie]

What’s an L3?

[Arete]

Level 3

[JakeTheWolfie]

What does that mean?

[Arete]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/11752-11-Effective-Wolf-Hunting-(by-Klopp)

Basically level 3 is the highest of three “levels” that some people use to rank people

[Maxwell]

All ISO’s I have compiled thus far:
Geyde ISO in this game: https://forum.imperium42.com/t/vfm-mountainous-arson-15-15-day-1-a-fiery-entrance/78852/1802
Maximus ISO in this game: https://forum.imperium42.com/t/vfm-mountainous-arson-15-15-day-1-a-fiery-entrance/78852/2152
Maximus ISO from his most recent scum game: https://forum.imperium42.com/t/vfm-mountainous-arson-15-15-day-1-a-fiery-entrance/78852/2157
Monokumalice ISO from her most recent scum game: In two parts, https://forum.imperium42.com/t/vfm-mountainous-arson-15-15-day-1-a-fiery-entrance/78852/2208 and https://forum.imperium42.com/t/vfm-mountainous-arson-15-15-day-1-a-fiery-entrance/78852/2209, as well as relevant chats: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x64e6y9e17r9f2j/AABK5Nb29-DUMys1HzRL2qSpa?dl=0
Monokumalice ISO from this game: https://forum.imperium42.com/t/vfm-mountainous-arson-15-15-day-1-a-fiery-entrance/78852/2232
Kai ISO in this game: https://forum.imperium42.com/t/vfm-mountainous-arson-15-15-day-1-a-fiery-entrance/78852/2563

[Maxwell]

do i seem level 2? or still just 1

[Maxwell]

Got any new impressions from all the time you were out of the thread?

[Geyde]

Shuri is weird, ergo null
All my other thoughts have been posted in thread

[Maxwell]

None have changed? ok

[Maxwell]

Im exhausted and am going to sleep soon. I trust you guys to hammer within the next 3 1/2 hours; please do so.

[Emilia]

/vote ici
No choice

[Geyde]

@Maxwell

None have changed? ok

Last 400 posts haven’t really changed my mind on anything