[VFM] Town vs Bandits - Day 5 (4/13) - Bandits Win!

[Vulgard]

I have a convincing argument to make you all vote him.

prophylaxisus

[Wazza]

last time I’m reminding any of you:

@Wazza

• To vote a player, type /vote [name] @Wazza otherwise the vote will not count.

[Vulgard]

/vote prophylaxisus

@Wazza

[Prophylaxis]

Dude, “I believe their depth of thought and angles of consideration represent a TMI-less perspective” is barely a read.

I need to see your thought process - the progression - that made you go from “Chloe is wolfy because I think her reminding Leafia about the postcount limit is wolfy specifically for her” to “I have a cursory townread on her”. I need quotes. You’ve given like, no indication at all to me that you’ve at least tried to skim the thread and have read Chloe/spf’s posts.

[Wazza]

Votecount

Voted	Voters	Count
Prophylaxis	GGhana, Vulgard	2
Vulgard	Chloe, Prophylaxis	2
GGhana	Leafia	1
Marluxion	Arctic	1
Not Voting	Alice, willtaylor, Marluxion, staypositivefriend, WindwardAway, EliThePsycho, Emilia	7

Majority is disabled for today. Ping me for votes. Day ends at 2021-08-30T20:00:00Z

[Prophylaxis]

I feel like Vulg tried to TR me in order to see if I’d get off his back, but now that I’m finding more issues with his posts, he’s just putting up his quills like a porcupine.

@GGhana

No it isn’t, his wallposting is wolfy as shit and is exactly what I expected from him coming into today

Almost all of it is just full of nothingburgers about Vulgard and Chloe, as far as I can tell I didn’t actually grasp a single opinion of his in that post at all, it’s a good wall but that doesn’t mean it’s a villagery one.

This is just pretty much a blatant misrepresentation of what I’ve said in my wallposts.

I came to the conclusion that Vulg is a wolf because I don’t believe what he’s saying. And I said that Chloe was gun-to-head villager for today because I’d like to work with her today. How is any of that a “nothingburger”?

@GGhana

it’s a good wall but that doesn’t mean it’s a villagery one.

Fourth time this exact phrase or something close to it has been used wrt me

Swear wolves are trying to keep me in the PoE

@GGhana

Plus the whole “I’m just gonna stay in thread and wait for people to interact with me” thing from him feels like it’s more likely to come from a wolf this game state because I think a wolf is more likely to want to try to be slightly more frozen than they usually are considering the player list

When I’ve posted a shitton of content in a short period of time, and no one else is around ITT, of course I’m going to say something like this. I want people to actually read my posts and either engage with me about them (preferred) or come to an opinion about them. I was actually still absent-mindedly rereading the thread and asking questions, so again you’re misrepping me

@GGhana

Proph’s walls all feel like he’s trying to appeal to everyone rather than give any actual opinions of his own.

Again I have several townreads and a singular wolfread, if you bothered to read my post closely

@GGhana

Like this feels incredibly gross

Most of the other reads are gross but this one is even grosser

It feels like he’s trying to encourage Chloe while still staying in the sidelines, so she can take the blame/pocket her depending on what Vul flips

Now that I’ve actually backread I don’t think Alice was doing it but Proph definitely is

Why is this post “gross”?

I’m just confused because a part of me still thinks somewhat that Vulg wouldn’t play /this bad/ as a wolf. He was Communications in the invi and he was very easily able to amass townreads in that game. He was a wolf in Gold Rush and endgamed in 5v3 xylo a while back. I’m committed to extinguishing w!Vulgard - I’m not staying in the sidelines at all.

[GGhana]

@Prophylaxis

I came to the conclusion that Vulg is a wolf because I don’t believe what he’s saying. And I said that Chloe was gun-to-head villager for today because I’d like to work with her today. How is any of that a “nothingburger”?

What you’re saying now doesn’t somehow influence the wall you posted before

Insisting otherwise is just fallacious

[Arctic]

@Prophylaxis

What are your thoughts about the reasons I pulled out where Ghana might be a villager? (him trying to explain himself, saying that his chloe townread was fake, or him choosing specifically alice and I to focus on for Today)

What do you think of his tunnel on me and what that means for his alignment?

i don’t think saying the chloe townread was fake makes him more likely to be a villager, you could say that he wouldn’t do it as a wolf because he’d get obliterated for it but this becomes infinitely more desirable than keeping up the act of townreading chloe for little/no reason and digging himself a deeper hole

i think his tunnel on you has some merit, because after looking over your posts again i see where he’s coming from and i had a similar thought though in a slightly different vein. in a playerlist like this i don’t think he’d really have the confidence to go after you as a wolf here when you’re a consensus null/townread strong player which points to him believing this read rather than maintaining it for the sake of posturing

@Prophylaxis

Why would you need to overplay your feelings here? I’ve never found a situation where FOL games need to “get the game going”. This game is full of good players who are all (mostly?) excited to play with each other. If this was like, my home site (MTG Salvation) then I could understand it because we’re insanely lurky, but I really have a hard time (again) thinking that you believe this.

yeah i don’t really buy it either
not only was it unnecessary, but as i said earlier i don’t think he was genuinely trying to get the game going with this. it looks to me more like a cop out for having misplaced confidence in a bad read

@Prophylaxis

What takes of mine exactly do you agree on?

most of them because they are consensus, and most of my townreads are also consensus lol
if i had to name the ones that best describe my thoughts on the slots i’d go with leafia and chloe
additionally i identify more with your vulgard read today than i did yesterday

@Prophylaxis

What are your thoughts about the interaction I pulled up? Where spf asked Marl for reads and he just went like “no” twice (he did say that Alice was scummy for railing on him IIRC). Reason why I think it’s slightly villagery for Marl is because I just distinctly remember him trying to appease me when he was realtiming with me as scum in Ciconia.

i can see how you’d get there, but i don’t agree
i think as a wolf he’d try to take more of a pockety approach with people he plays with regularly and has more experience with (obviously he knows spf but i don’t think he plays with them that often) and try to focus his villagery antagonistic approach towards slots he doesn’t care how they view him so much (such as spf) in order to get townread for it by the people who knows he does this as a villager. does this make sense? lol

[GGhana]

@Prophylaxis

Why is this post “gross”?

I

Literally explained why in the post you quoted

what

[GGhana]

@Prophylaxis

Swear wolves are trying to keep me in the PoE

What does this mean for my alignment.

[Arctic]

@Prophylaxis

Communications

he was surveillance

[Arctic]

@Prophylaxis

Swear wolves are trying to keep me in the PoE

Summary

this kind of looks fake lol

[GGhana]

@Prophylaxis

@Chloe

proceeds to post multiple walls worth of reads

lolproph

:wowee:

I am not a succinct player, I’ll give you that.

@Chloe

Emilia is absolutely someone who is far easier to read as the game progresses because she can’t keep up the act as a wolf and will eventually mess up somewhere

Don’t want to get too specific as she can figure out what to do to get townread but yeah keep an eye on her down the line

I’m fine with her in townleanville today but she’s nowhere near my core

Forgive me for parrotting this but the general sense I heard about her coming into this game was that she was townread in two earlier wolf games for “breaking her meta” which apparently involved a lot of analysis posts? But in this game she’s not trying to really force her analysis? Can you give me a more detailed rundown here? I didn’t read the games she was wolfing in.

@Chloe

Reading these proph posts is making me both anxious and excited and i don’t think i’ve ever felt this way in my entire time playing mafia when it comes to reading someone’s posts

Like
This is the exact stuff that pocketed me in DitF - the whole long deep analysis wallposts with a billion mindmelds meant to trick exactly me - and that makes me very skeptical
But i can’t help but townread it and want to work with him lol

See look, now it’s hard for me because now I don’t know your alignment, so I have to figure out if these posts are just you posturing or you genuinely believe this

I will say that we are coming to similar conclusions atm, which gun to head makes me think you’re v, but I will continue to try to sort you out as we continue playing

I just want to say that because you only have three (?) completed wolfgames your wolfgame would be a little more apparent but we’ll see

@Chloe

I… think so? I want to say yes but I’m not fully sure

Someone like Vul or Marl might know

OK, would appreciate any input for anyone who knows Alice more.

@Chloe

This is a phrase I’ve used in multiple games, across alignments ftr

It’s kinda just a habit of mine when I feel rather confident in something

I really do think Leafia is someone who is extremely easy to read and can be spotted in her first few posts and I stand by my read there

As for the wowee I literally have it ready to copy/paste whenever I wanna wowee and have probably wowee’d in every game for the past 6 or so months lol

Okay, that c+p thing about the wowee emoji makes more sense to me. It’s just that I feel that read reads as structurally fine without the bolded and then you included the bolded which felt like a tad overexplainy

But if you’ve used this in multiple games across alignments and have the wowee emoji able to c+p then obviously I can’t pin this on the wall wrt your alignment then

@Chloe

FINALLY someone agrees with what I’ve been saying this entire time

Please don’t be pocketing me
I’ll feel like such a loser

Same to you. I do feel like if Vul flips W then that’ll remove a lot of my ~inner paranoia about you, but there’s a part of me that kinda feels like… I don’t think Vulg would play /this/ bad as both alignments, which is why I’m confused.

This dude literally won the Gold Rush game, so he clearly knows how to wolf. I’ve been chomping at the bit to play with him in a real game bc I think he’s competent as both alignments, despite him missing some of the time on reads accuracy in the past couple of his v games. And then I just see like

“Chloe wolf because she said ‘watch your postcount’ to Leafia!”
“spf wolf because she isn’t posting enough content!”

(I know i’m paraphrasing here but that’s mostly the gist of his reads)

He’s just extremely level 1.

@Chloe

Leafia, as a wolf, has a very very hard time not TMI’ing villagers, but especially her partners - and she’s very obvious about it

If there’s any indication that she’s trying to gauge alignments then she’s most likely a villager lol
I honestly felt the cogs turning in her first few posts
If she were a wolf she wouldn’t show the slight hesitation in throwing me some townpoints for reminding her about the postcap and would instead just straight up call me a villager

As I said in my original read, Leafia is likely only a wolf if her partners haven’t posted yet, as I’d seen none of the signs of her usual behavior when it comes to how she treats scumbuds

OK, thanks for the meta assurance - again not super familiar with her, so I don’t have the best idea of her range. Just saw her tunnel Wazza to hell and back in Ciconia and thought “yeah people who generally tunnel me and press my buttons are v, and she’s doing that to Wazza so she’s probably town”

Yeah reading over this again

There’s a lot of waffling about Vulgard and Proph basically implying that my read on him is bad because of his Vulgard read is pretty dishonest looking at how he actually treats Vulgard in this post

Plus the fact he’s so uh, creative with his interpretation of what he actually posted is probably not a good look

[Prophylaxis]

@GGhana

it’s not actually that wolfy, I just wanted to use this copypasta

the post is still wolfy as hell tho

Now you’re just dunking on me. Why do you think my post comes from a wolf mindset?

@GGhana

Hey you know how we were talking about hedge earlier

This is wolfy hedge, not villagery hedge

To me this feels like a wolf not wanting to take a stance on Chloe so he doesn’t have to fight for it rather than an actual paranoid villager

And I literally took a stance in that post - I said that gun-to-head, Chloe is a villager. I’m not locking this, because the game is still extremely young, but you keep misrepping me and I have to figure out if you’re a wolf who’s gaslighting me or a villager who is wrongfully tunneling me.

[GGhana]

especially because he was townreading me before lol

[Arctic]

it’s more that he townreads literally everyone that’s said his posts seem good but not villagery so this thought seems pretty misplaced

[GGhana]

thank you Arctic for repeating what I said for everyone in the back of the class

[Arctic]

i mean i’d understand it if he called out someone in particular since it’s not just you that he was making this out to apply to, i think

[GGhana]

@Vulgard

I think Arctic and Leafia are both villagers here. I also townread that take from Leafia, but I didn’t know how to articulate it. Arctic noticing that as well, cross-referencing it with a past game, and expressing the take in a way that sounds TMI-less makes me feel confident he’s town. I also think his take has merit, so Leafia should probably be town as well.

This post is going to age poorly if they are both wolves, but hey, gotta take some risks, right?

this post has made me deceased, this just looks so pockety

everything else in Vulgard’s ISO is actually very good in my opinion, even if I don’t agree with the stuff they’re saying I basically understand how they got from point a to point b

overall I just don’t think we should yeet there

[Leafia]

Please explain.