If his slot had been him the whole time, I think I probably would consider him more likely town. He seems very open-minded about reads and trying to figure out stuff. But when I go back to when Esq was in control, I canât help but see the signs of a wolf. Though back to Kat, I also get this vibe that itâs all trickery. That this nice, friendly talk is a way to trick me into voting for you or Vul. Itâs very difficult to tell because if he is indeed wolf, heâs very patient at stringing someone along.
âŚIn other words, the only reason youâre suspecting Kat is because of Esq?
Alright, please elaborate. How much of your Kat read is because Esq was wolfy? Are you saying that if Esq was never in the game, you wouldnât consider the things about Kat that you do now?
Well, thatâs hard to say exactly, because if Kat was playing earlier, there would be different actions to look at, and those might also have been wolfish.
But in general, yes, a large part of my read for that slot is based on early actions by Esq, and her interactions with or concerning Derps.
Katâs push on Marshal went along with my own thoughts at the time. And really others as well since Marshal even admits he was starting to act in a way that could be seen as wolfish but couldnât help himself.
But part of my read on the Kat-Esq slot is also due to the way Kat is acting. Some of his actions could be seen as causing confusion. I think this also goes along with the Leafia NK. Though I know it is explained that Leafia could be seen as beneficial to keep around as a ML target for anyone. But the kill did happen, so the question is who might gain the most benefit from it? I think thatâs still Kat for the level of confusion it added.
so when i woke up and checked the thread i saw that dat had just posted actions were locked and i was like cool
then didnât get told i was dead so i was like cool if vul is alive over appel then im 100% sleeping today because i need to satiate the paranoia and thereâs no way V!Vul lives to F3
and then i saw leafia was dead
so my mind is like âwhatâ
also i dont think anyone read this and i like the copypasta so im putting it here ayaya
iirc my brain jumped immediately to âwhysper doesnât do this kill the wolf is in appel/vulâ but i wasnât sure how to word it because i was in the âdont explodeâ mentality
i noted mentally that vulgard started the day, a day where the flip should have been him, off immediately with LAMIST and then proceeded to start shading slots, mostly me at this point (but eventually got to everybody that wasnât him) with no real disregard to the bomb at all, then immediately jumps to the conclusion that it was likely a nobomb
the former of which i found super wolfy and the latter of which i also found wolfy but then realized that scum planting a bomb here would have been suboptimal anyway so the immediate conclusion is only weird at worst
i mostly posted this because i thought the above signs still pointed to vulgard having significant wolf equity
but i worded it in a way to keep it somewhat ambiguous which of you two i thought was wolfy because i think from a non-Wulgard PoV he would still be the better kill over Appel, especially because you were on my ass
i considered omitting that here as well but iâm at a point where i think me trying to obfuscate my intent to manipulate the wolfs night actions isnât really beneficial for me anymore, and only makes my intentions even harder to follow
this is probably the point of the day my read on vul was lowest?
i remember thinking to myself that i desperately needed to talk to him as much as i could today and hope he acts villagery or, better yet, writes the magical post (spoiler: the former happened, the latter did not)
i feel like im just describing my thoughts of the day overall right now
but i was thinking about vulgard most of the day
anyway at this point vulgard continues to shade every fucking slot, including god damn appelsiini who he was saying was lockVneverreconsider just a day before
which to me felt like âvulgard just bussed derps, did a weird kill thatâd explain his survival in LyLo, and is now keeping his options openâ
which again, i kept somewhat ambiguous because again, i wanted to try to influence wolf NK
but i donât care about that anymore for Reasonsâ˘ď¸
i wont quote every post from this area but it felt like vul was seriously considering w!appel and it felt odd
but as me and vul talked more i started to ease my paranoia on his spot specifically and kind of went into âwhat the fuck who is itâ mode
i felt like vuls posts were somewhat agenday but like⌠i realized they kind of have to be? itâs mylo and as a villager he has a wolfread (and as a wolf he has an easy ML, which was the only world i was considering at SoD)
which is around here in the day
and again, the more we talked, he made some pretty villagery posts?
like this felt real as hell
this wasnât This Post Was Written By A Villager:tm: but it⌠felt like a post written by a villager
because itâs not a thought you actively think about as a wolf, really? as a wolf you see katze doing katze things and you think âhaha classic katzeâ i think, ive never been a wolf against katze
a post i don't remember ever actually seeing that i think is mildly >rand W (doubly so from his slot) but im pretending it doesn't exist because my thought process back then didn't include this from what i remember
and then i kinda thought these posts were really nonchalant
at the time i found it wolfy and upon reread i find it kinda not wolfy
although the first one maybe a bit wolfy still idk
but like
this post felt (and still does) feel like a real thought
mostly because i know exactly what heâs talking about and if he is a villager i think it perfectly does encompass how he feels (and if W then this is how he wants to appear)
and vulgard continued to trend up again because the thing he did earlier (shade everybody) heâs kinda taking back and evaluating in a realish sounding way
and my head was at this point for a while
but i wanted to ask a question that i thought would kind of spew the perspective he has because i was still trying to find a 100% villager to convince myself âwe shouldnât sleep, we should yeet todayâ
but in hindsight this is a flawed question because a confident villager and a wolf both would have basically the exact same answer (and he answered accordingly)
i donât remember if i realized that or not back then but i asked another question so maybe?
âŚand i honestly thought i had a bazinga gottem moment here
but no, not really a gottem moment most likely
honestly still not sure how i interpret this response in terms of alignment indicativeness
i kinda didnt like the response and at this point thought they were kinda towny
i donât actually remember why i decided to do this a third fucking time but i wonât quote all of the posts because this post is becoming a fucking book and i think iâm an hour in?
i created a case that was mostly my earlier concerns of him combined with with a few of my more recent concerns, but heavily exaggerated to because it had to sound real, right? i think i did a good job (example of me faking reads as town before)
starting from here
and ending here
i was gonna end it here because at this point i was happy enough with my read on vulgard for that period of time which is why i wanted to talk to you (appel)
but then vulgard said something that i thought was interesting so i decided
again
to try to read deeper into his psyche
but i kind of realized that this doesnât work too much on vul because i only pocket arete i donât think iâve actually wolfed in a game with a town vulgard in which i ever consciously considered pocketing him (and i think the only W!katze V!Vulgard game i can think of is RM4 where i just powerwolfed all game)
which is why i didnt really take this questioning anywhere
but i still found these responses fairly genuine and villagery
but i still wanted to solve you more than him at this point so i again tried to get him to leave me alone
my plan here was to do a big ISO on PKR because i was really fucking dedicated to locktowning someone today
and i was like âhuh pkrs iso feels kinda wolfyâ and compared it to wolfgames and was like ââ
but then i foudn villagery posts and posts i didnt think were W/W so i scrapped it
which you yelled at me for but youâre a nerd
but anyway i think vulgard is very very very likely to be a villager right now
When I went through an ISO of Vulgard just to double check, I still came to the conclusion that his posts and actions seem very townish. And the fact that heâs flip-flopped on his read of me just adds town points. And how he handled EoD with bussing Derps instead of Kat or me. I really think he could have ended things that day with a ML and didnât need to get towncred from bussing Derps.
I do however want to go back to this flip-flop. He laid out very good reason why a Derps/Whysper team didnât make sense.
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But this all flip-flopped after Vulgard accidentally took an interaction between Derps and Esq out of context and misinterpreted it.
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As I explained in another post, Derpsâ statement about sheeping was directed to Alice. Esq was just asking about the meaning of âsheepâ like she had many other terms.
And now, even though Vulgard seems to accept that this was out of context, he is still stuck in thinking that none of the previous points apply anymore. And heâs mostly relying on Aliceâs read, my post count, and my lack of reading skill. And anything that seems weird or doesnât fit is explained as the Derps factor.
Also, apparently the fact that Iâve been consistently reading Kat as the most likely wolf is considered negative. It isnât that I havenât considered other options. Just that the other options really donât look strong enough. From my PoV, things are much clearer since I already know Iâm town. So naturally I wonât waver as much.