Watch Your Mouth!: Sophomore Year (3/17) - Day 5 - Planters (Mafia) Win!

[Alice]

@Luxy

Moleland’s wallpost is a decent look for him at this point

I still think his wallpost was meh and doable as either alignment.

[Alice]

@Marshal

the fuck is this??? “She kind of implicitly makes a decision Esquiddy would be a good lynch”. How did you infer that???

I think the main issue with Whysper’s posts is how she’s just been non-stop trying to quash townreads and whatnot.

@Marshal

why is this wolf AI, why is this wolf AI

Wolves try to keep the PoE as wide as possible, so they hate when villagers are townread.

[Alice]

@Luxy

She seemed out of her depth at the start of Wild West, whereas in SFoL 63 she still got right into attempting to sort people’s alignments whereas here, shes spent her time throwing doubt on townreads and not really sorting alignments at all

Literally this.

I re-read SFoL63 and she’s more decisive and direct there while here she’s less proactive and more indirect and doesn’t really have the broad of a scope.

[Alice]

@Luxy

God coming back to this is so frustrating it seems like all the typically scummy things are now things people just do as town like wtf.

Real. Back in 2018-2019 whenever a player would defend a flipped wolf they’d become a consensus wolfread and almost always flip W as well.

Now here you’ll have 3-4 players defend a wolf for some dumb reason and watch them all flip V.

[Alice]

@Marshal

ehhhh

I don’t like luxy still
I think the pushes are in bad faith but he did something similar (ish) to leafia so i’m not gonna haaarrrrd tunnel this

/unvote

Shrug

The pushes look pretty good FMPoV. It probably has something to do being that we used to play back in 2019 when wolves with green rolecards were the exception rather than the rule.

@Marshal

(and for the record, my read on whysper is still null. my intent was not to change luxy’s read but rather drill into it’s logic)

I still think that Fol30 and SFol63 were miles more villagery than her ISO here.

[Alice]

@Marshal

I still think his “wazza disagrees with me is >rand wolf” is total BS so he’s still a scumlean

I see people making reads like this almost always on this site and it often comes from villagers.

[Alice]

@Marshal

meh

he’s not in any “position” he was a null for everyone, he’s a good wolf, and it’s possible someone who’s having their first wolfgame in a while wouldn’t think they’d be called out for their posts.

I don’t think even someone with such a high-aggro wolf game as Luxy would try to powerwolf this hard from the get-go.

[Alice]

@Marshal

on the posts above between myself / luxy

Already gave it to you. Pretty sure it’s most likely a T/T conflict due to the fact that Luxy’s still used to the old site culture were there were higher standards of villaging.

[Marshal]

I played in 2019 and I don’t actually think the villaging was better, just that the wolfing has gotten better and we’ve began to complain more

but, like, w/e

@Alice

@Marshal

meh

he’s not in any “position” he was a null for everyone, he’s a good wolf, and it’s possible someone who’s having their first wolfgame in a while wouldn’t think they’d be called out for their posts.

I don’t think even someone with such a high-aggro wolf game as Luxy would try to powerwolf this hard from the get-go.

I disagree on this, I think it’s really not that difficult and I don’t think he’d shy away from it

@Alice

@Marshal

I still think his “wazza disagrees with me is >rand wolf” is total BS so he’s still a scumlean

I see people making reads like this almost always on this site and it often comes from villagers.

luxy is not most villagers, he is better

@Alice

@Marshal

(and for the record, my read on whysper is still null. my intent was not to change luxy’s read but rather drill into it’s logic)

I still think that Fol30 and SFol63 were miles more villagery than her ISO here.

I haven’t actually read her ISO in FoL 30, I think in SFoL63 was mildly better and she’s in my PoE but I don’t have much of a read either way

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w/e, luxy is kind of a weak scumlean at this point but I think you are being too forgiving

[Luxy]

[quote=“Marshal, post:891, topic:83624”]

@Alice

@Marshal

I still think his “wazza disagrees with me is >rand wolf” is total BS so he’s still a scumlean
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I see people making reads like this almost always on this site and it often comes from villagers.

luxy is not most villagers, he is better

Bruh its a good read, as I said go read mafia academy

[Luxy]

Its not ‘oh their reads are not completely correct’ its ‘their gameview is so different to mine I have no idea how they got it’

[Marshal]

@Luxy

So I have read the thread and apparently everyone has a posting number restriction, which you reaction testing as having one and later drew back the claim saying that you didn’t

Since “the ability similar to mines” was the post restriction, I don’t have quite a reason anymore to have a town impression of you. Rather… how did you know everyone has a posting restriction when you rn claim not to have one?
Anyway, I agree that Jgoes’s opening is purely scummy behavior. He won’t even read Marshal. Since you are now both scummy to my eyes, it may all be shallow basicass distancing since of how senseless the reaction test and the push are anyway (as Disqueted pointed out).

Then backtracks her townread on Marshal just two posts later and shadethrws Jgoes. Then she makes her pre-flip association from which we now know would flip two town. Merc is already setting up chain mislynches using her TMI, just like in JOAT9.

i’m assuming this is the read you are talking about

I think the context of me / jgoes being a TvT tunnel is important and I think that the chain ML argument is more compelling there.

I stand by that read being a very weak one even if it does turn out to be correct

[Chloe]

Accused	Voted by	Votes
SirDerpsAlot	Esquiddy	1/9
Trochilidae	Trochilidae	1/9
Surge	Surge	1/9
EliThePsycho	Insanity	1/9
Whysper	Luxy	1/9
Moleland	Alice, Jane, SirDerpsAlot	3/9
Jane	Moleland	1/9
Not voting	EliThePsycho, Whysper, an_gorta_pratai, Appelsiini, PokemonKidRyan, Wazza, Marshal	7

Lemme know if I hecked it up

[Luxy]

No thats not the one

[Marshal]

can you quote/link it then?

[Alice]

@Marshal

I played in 2019 and I don’t actually think the villaging was better, just that the wolfing has gotten better and we’ve began to complain more

I meant early 2019. The level of village play began dropping around the middle/late part of the year.

@Marshal

I disagree on this, I think it’s really not that difficult and I don’t think he’d shy away from it

@Marshal

luxy is not most villagers, he is better

It’s less about being difficult and more about being inefficient. Starting the game guns blazing as a wolf is a high-risk strategy and it’d be far more efficient to weasel your way into the towncore as a wolf before doing anything like that. Yes, I realize Luxy is not me but I still think he’s experienced enough to realize this.

[Chloe]

There are approximately 12 hours left in Day 1!

The day ends 2020-09-07T17:30:00Z

[Alice]

@Chloe

Accused	Voted by	Votes
SirDerpsAlot	Esquiddy	1/9
Trochilidae	Trochilidae	1/9
Surge	Surge	1/9
EliThePsycho	Insanity	1/9
Whysper	Luxy	1/9
Moleland	Alice, Jane, SirDerpsAlot	3/9
Jane	Moleland	1/9
Not voting	EliThePsycho, Whysper, an_gorta_pratai, Appelsiini, PokemonKidRyan, Wazza, Marshal	7

Lemme know if I hecked it up

…why does the VC look like this when we’re 75% done with d1?

[Trochilidae]

note: i will in fact be around for EoD
also i’ve seen quite a lot of focus on whysper especially here which i find odd since they’re a newer player. i can’t see why the votes would be more inactive, perhaps a wolf is being suspected and scum isn’t voting currently? though that would only be three people

[Luxy]

@Luxy

The fact that we disagree with most of her scumreads is also pretty polarising, and makes us think shes faking her reads. If she was town, we believe she would be on a much more similar wavelength than us, rather than having a PoE of almost everyone we townread besides Jake and Maxwell.

Lmao I’m scum for not sheeping.

Luxy:

That is not what I’m saying but nice strawman. If you were town you’d be thinking at least similarly to us and building on our points, rather than scumreading half our townreads for no reason than hurr durr they didn’t like my post

Here Marshal