Why we should replace/remove Retribution/Frame/Mindwarp

#41

Why does it matter what the persentage is? You know it isn’t 0 so when it happens you already knew it was possible.

#42

If 0.01% of games had a Fool, would you ever suspect one?

#43

Yes, but at least you try to get the other lynched and live another day.

#44

It doesn’t matter. There are 2 Possible purposes for Ability’s like these.

A: Trying to make people paranoid. This is accomplished by frame and in the shadows.

B: Actually causing misslynches. This is caused by defile and mindwarp

Purpose A needs to be common to be useful sure. However purpose B is the opposite, the more rare mindwarp is the better it is when it exists.

Both purposes are valid and both have a place in the game. Thus it doesn’t matter how common the mechanic as a whole is so long as everything is furfilling it’s purpose. And it definitely is.

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#45

We shouldn’t have a mechanic if it rarely appears I’d rather have more of it then have the the amount we have now.

I’d also argue the social aspect of Scorned is much better for mislynched.

#46

I think that getting rid of retribution is a shit move

#47

Read function B. Mindwarp does not need to be common.

#48

As a self appointed “Bait Master” retribution is the best possible way to bait a evil out when no one trusts your scum read

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#49

Also by getting rid of frame and mindwarp the game becomes way too fucking boring.

Oh look they are unseen

  • Everyone votes them up without question
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#50

Isn’t that what the Scorned is for?
Besides, this already happens in the vast majority of games.

#51

And you think removing frame entirely will solve the problem?

#52

You’d need to strike a balance there. If it’s too common, it won’t work as well, if it’s too rare you can’t work around it even if you are clever.

A better purpose would to make people doubt their results.

#53

What exactly is the problem you are trying to solve.

#54

Not on it’s own, but if we give more reasons for bold accusations from non BD classes, it will fill the gap.

#55

Getting randomly screwed with no chance to try to manuever around it.

#56

From who’s PoV?

#57

4 possable relevant POV’s to think about.

1: Someone truly accusing
2: Someone correctly accused
3: Someone falsely accusing
4: Someone being falsely accused

#58

PoV 1 is still the same PoV even if the conclusion is Wrong so long as the person belives what they are saying and isn’t scum.

#59

So if a scorned target is converted and then accused by the scorned then that’s a false accuser vs a correctly accused.

#60

To be honest, these changes feel like salt

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